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Public Weighs In On Connector Alternatives

By Eric Richardson
Published: Thursday, October 16, 2008, at 02:45PM
Regional Connector Update Metro

Subway: In this alternative, the line would run below Flower and 2nd streets, with underground stations. Green is at-grade, purple represents underground.

Public speakers showed strong support for an underground Regional Connector today after hearing Metro staff present options for the project. Several raised the specter of an auto accident taking out the entire regional light rail system in the case of an above-ground build.

The update, held in the Central Library's Board Room, drew a full house. Two alternatives -- one subway, one above-ground -- were presented for the Regional Connector, which would tie together all of Metro's light rail lines.

The Regional Connector would run from the southwest side of Downtown, at the 7th / Metro station, to the Gold Line on its northeast. The new route would interface with the Gold Line either above above or below the new Little Tokyo / Arts District station, part of the Eastside Extension set to open in 2009.

The two alternatives were much the same as those we reported back in May. Both would start north on Flower before heading east along the 2nd street corridor. Three new stations are envisioned: one on Flower, one at Bunker Hill, and one in the Historic Core. Beyond that, the two designs differ greatly.

The above-ground alternative would emerge from the existing Blue Line tunnels around 5th street. An above-ground station would be placed in the blocks between 5th and 3rd, and the line would cross 3rd before cutting into the 2nd street tunnel. The line would travel east through the tunnel, emerging at Hill street. Once in the Historic Core, the line would split, with one direction of train travel placed on Main and one on Los Angeles. Both would converge on Temple, and the line would interface with the Eastside Extension at Temple and Alameda.

The subway alignment would continue north on Flower, with an underground station roughly at 5th street. The tunnel would curve east under 2nd street, with a station at Bunker Hill. It would then have a station under 2nd street somewhere between Broadway and Los Angeles. In Little Tokyo, the station would come above-ground on the block currently occupied by Office Depot. We presented Metro's ideas for a rebuilt 1st & Alameda back in May.

Cost estimates for both alternatives have risen since May as further engineering studies have been done. The above-ground alternative would cost $709 - $796 million, while the subway alternative is proposed at $910 million.

The project would be competing for Federal funding, and Metro is quite proud of how the project scores on the Federal Transportation Administration's new TSUB (Transportation System User Benefits) metric. TSUB replaces "cost per new rider," and attempts to measure the benefits to new riders, existing riders, and even highway users.

The final Alternatives Analysis study has not been completed, but project staff are tentatively hoping to have the study to the Metro Board at its December 4 meeting. The Board must give its approval for environmental and advanced engineering work to continue.

An identical meeting will be held Tuesday evening at the Japanese American National Museum (369 E. 1st). That meeting starts at 6:30pm.

Measure R, the half-cent sales tax proposal on November's Los Angeles County ballot, would provide $160 million in funding for the Regional Connector. The measure would generate $40 billion in transportation funds over the next thirty years.

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Guest 1

BonAmi on October 16, 2008, at 03:54PM – #1

Great summary. It looks like I'll be attending a public meeting on Tuesday. Like it or not, one way or another, my quiet little neighborhood is looking at some heavy transportation construction.


Guest 2

Brian on October 16, 2008, at 09:10PM – #2

Thanks for the report, Eric. Glad to hear there was strong support for the underground alignment.

Any mention of projected construction dates?


Eric Richardson () on October 16, 2008, at 09:29PM – #3

Brian: Thanks. Not at this meeting. A lot of it depends on when funding gets secured. Your schedule becomes a lot easier when you've got money in hand.


Guest 3

Shawn on October 16, 2008, at 10:54PM – #4

They still have MOCA on the wrong street.

They don't have a construction timeline because they have no idea when or if they will have money. In the past they were saying by , but that will change if Measure R passes. And speaking of Measure R I've been hearing that the polling is very bad and that no one thinks that it will pass.


Eric Richardson () on October 16, 2008, at 11:10PM – #5

Shawn: It's definitely a bad time to be asking people for money. The longer we put off infrastructure improvements, though, the more they're going to cost in the end.


Guest 4

Purple Haze on October 17, 2008, at 12:32AM – #6

Let's hope that on November 3rd, that the mother of all traffic disasters strikes L.A. and everyone gets home four hours late and decide to vote yes the next day on the transit tax.

If only Britney and Paris would dance naked down the fast lane of the 101 to start the ball rolling. Or someone start the rumor that they're planning to jump off the top of the Bonaventure and end it all at 3 p.m. That would get half the population headed for Downtown all at once. Perfect.


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Dtownla on October 17, 2008, at 09:34AM – #7

I can't visualize that Bunker Hill station. How would that work? Would the entrance be on upper Grand?


Guest 4

Desert Bruin on October 17, 2008, at 12:43PM – #8

There would likely be a station entrance at the southeast corner of Second and Hope, across from Redcat. That would be for the north end of the station. Entrances on both sides of Flower would feed into the south end of the station.

A subway solution would have twin tubes (single?) be bored beneath the Second Street Tunnel. Danger. Let's hope there's granite down there. If not, they'd best go DEEP.


Guest 6

Damien Goodmon on October 18, 2008, at 08:59AM – #9

Ladies and gentlemen please stop calling it the underground alternative. It's not. It still has an at-grade crossing at 1st street, where pedestrians 1st street traffic and 48-60 trains per hour during rush hour can be expected to all meet. There is still significant exposure to a system shut down with an accident in downtown.

Plus, what was glossed over in the Metro presentation is that east-west trains (Expo-Eastside Extension) would have no Little Tokyo stop. Only north-south trains (Blue-Pasadena Gold).

It is the "primarily underground alternative" and Metro needs to go back to the drawing board and create a completely underground alternative that has all trains stop at Little Tokyo and eliminates the 1st street at-grade crossing. It's not any more difficult than what they currently propose, just requires moving the Little Tokyo station to the southwest corner of 1st/Alameda and building the WYE underground instead of at the surface.


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Jerard on October 18, 2008, at 12:03PM – #10

Damien,

Dolores briefly mentioned that they have not reached a consensus on a station or stations for the Little Tokyo-Historic Core section, They used their original baseline location(Main-Los Angeles) as a starting point for the conceptual renderings but they haven't determined the precise location(s).

That will require further refinement, that refinement can and will effect what happens at 1st/Alameda when they continue with the EIR process.


Guest 8

Denis on December 29, 2008, at 09:31AM – #11

RE Connector & Little Tokyo station:

Regardless if the Little Tokoy station will be located at the SW or NE corner as Damien and Jerard point out, does this mean that the line Culver City - East LA would bypass Union Station?


Eric Richardson () on December 29, 2008, at 10:39AM – #12

Denis: Correct, a train running west to east (or east to west) wouldn't hit Union Station.



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