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City Moves to Streamline Filming Process, Limit Disruptions

By Eric Richardson
Published: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, at 05:40PM
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Filming for this commercial in 2007 required the closure of 7th street, a process that would now be quicker with new electronic permitting systems.

Looking to keep more filming taking place here in Los Angeles, the City this week unveiled two systems designed to streamline the process of permitting parking restrictions and street closures, while LAPD discussed its new power to arrest those who try to disrupt permitted shoots.

The City Council last year instructed the City Attorney's office to draft an ordinance that would give LAPD the power to cite productions shooting without a permit and "[make] it illegal to disrupt a properly permitted film shoot."

Turns out, they had passed just such an ordinance eight days before that October 7 vote.

At Tuesday's meeting of the Jobs and Business committee, Lieutenant Ray Garvin of LAPD's Contract Services Division said that the department can use the recently-passed special events ordinance to handle both aspects of film shoot enforcement. That ordinance, now codified as Los Angeles Municipal Code section 41.20, includes the provision that "No person shall in any manner interfere with the progress or orderly conduct of a permitted Special Event."

Those enforcement powers were put to use this Monday, when police officers arrested an individual on the Venice boardwalk who was demanding payment to stop playing loud music during a film shoot's takes.

That's not something that happens every day, though. "The reality is it's been around for several months now, and there's been two arrests made," said Paul Audley, President of ., the non-profit contracted to handle film permitting for the City. "If you're doing your business in the area, you're not interrupting."

Before LAPD is involved in a dispute, FilmL.A. monitors first try to intervene in the situation and find a resolution. LAPD officers are instructed to do the same before placing anyone under arrest.

Keeping filming in Los Angeles has been a favorite goal of the city over the past year, and at the same meeting the Department of Transportation demonstrated a system designed to make it more efficient for shoots to get their 'No Parking' signs ordered.

The "Traffic Event Asset Management System" is eventually intended to handle all of the roughly 160,000 temporary parking signs the city posts each year.

"We are now able to enter directly onto their system our request instead of sending them a piece of paper," Audley explained. That cuts down on faxed documents, and makes it easier for all parties to track the requests. "The true benefit of this system is that it's going to communicate instantly to the crews out in the field."

In presenting the system, LADOT said that it believes the database adds transparency to the permit process. A department spokesman told blogdowntown that he believes the data is intended to be made publicly available via the city's .

A similarly streamlined system was unveiled today by the Board of Public Works, which handles permits for street closures. Commissioner Andrea Alarcon, the daughter of Jobs and Business chair Richard Alarcon, used the "Paperless Permitting in Real-Time" system to approve a closure request.

With the new system, closures are no longer required to be noticed and approved as part of a Board of Public Works meeting. That cuts what had been a two to seven day process into one that can take place in one to two days.

But does it also reduce public input into the closure process? "The public process part of this happens anyway through our notice," Audley said. "Part of what we deliver to public works is any complaints we receive."

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User_32

() on April 28, 2010, at 06:22PM – #1

This is just official corruption, making the film industry a "preferred business" over and above the rest of us. I have a legal business. To just close my street or the lane in front of my doors with no legal notice (in violation of the Brown Act) and no input is hardly a business-friendly climate for anyone but filmmakers. It makes me more likely to want to leave Los Angeles. How is that good for the economy? The businesses downtown contribute far more to the economy that does location filming, so why does filming get treated as if they matter more?

What about film shoots that have permits but which violate the conditions of their permits? This happens constantly downtown. Is the city going to do anything about that?


User_32

Whitman Lam on April 28, 2010, at 07:28PM – #2

Why not just give out tax incentives to lure more productions back to L.A. ? Isn't that what has been sucking the film industry away in the first place ?

These new measures won't bring any more business.


Eric Wang on April 28, 2010, at 07:36PM – #3

I agree with Mr. Green's comments here. This type of preferential treatment is ridiculous. I'm for filming in L.A. and downtown, but not giving this kind of incentive to potentially be used to walk over residents here at little or no notice.


Eric Richardson () on April 28, 2010, at 09:32PM – #4

Whitman: Tax incentives are a state issue, not a city one. The state has an incentive program that the industry says has been working, but it only has a limited pool of funding.


Guest 1

Guest on April 28, 2010, at 09:37PM – #5

I was wondering where I might find the statistics on DT Business revenue lost from filming such as @ 5th & Main St. and the revenue advantage gained by the film industry, (especially the impact on films Co spin-off employment, film crews, caterers, etc. etc. and all the spin-off businesses/employment from filming. Also including the taxes each pay yearly to the City and State/County. If we have that data perhaps a clear understanding based in facts might be had.

Howie on the Hill


User_32

() on April 28, 2010, at 10:23PM – #6

There is no such thing as statistics on lost business. When a client refuses to come back to downtown because the last time they were here, 4th St, 6th St, and the 2nd St tunnel were all closed all day long, at the same time, and a rude retired cop would not let them walk down the street, the net effect is to depress local economic activity and tilt the balance towards the disruptive influence, in this case, filming.

It's not an either/or situation. The whole point is to allow a balance. Not to twist the law to provide a perk to one industry over another.

Filming can and should be a good neighbor, as should all businesses. This new program does not do that.


Guest 1

Guest on April 28, 2010, at 10:40PM – #7

Well if there is no data on lost revenue how does one make an informed judgement on the economic losses or business impact of Downtown business due to filming? Of course it can't be done "off the top of ones head". You need to know the real data, just like an accountant. And if there are legal losses would not one file those losses on the ol tax form? Or even sue for lost business against the filming companies?

I even know that people file for stolen property such as art and are able to take a loss on it, assuming its a real and not a pretend loss, due to lets say, stealing. That sort of thing is of course also reported if one has insurance coverage on the art. And there has to be a police report too.

Difficult issue it seems.

Howie on the Hill


Guest 1

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 12:45AM – #8

Perhaps you can clear up what the real meaning of this is? I'm confused by your words. Oh and below would you please say whom you are accusing of being corrupt, by name and who has violated the Brown Act, by name? We should all know this information and act together to stop it.

Bert: "This is just official corruption, making the film industry a "preferred business" over and above the rest of us. I have a legal business. To just close my street or the lane in front of my doors with no legal notice (in violation of the Brown Act) and no input is hardly a business-friendly climate for anyone but filmmakers. It makes me more likely to want to leave Los Angeles. How is that good for the economy? The businesses downtown contribute far more to the economy that does location filming, so why does filming get treated as if they matter more?"

Howie on the Hill

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User_32

() on April 29, 2010, at 12:51AM – #9

Read the story above, near the end: "With the new system, closures are no longer required to be noticed and approved as part of a Board of Public Works meeting. That cuts what had been a two to seven day process into one that can take place in one to two days."

So a street or traffic lane can be closed by one type of a private business (filming) with no public notice or requirement to go through a public process. I can arrive at work one day to find my street closed and there need be absolutely no way for anyone to appeal it or object to it.

So you are saying that without one of Jack Keyser's official economic analyses, this in no way impacts local businesses? Like I said, you obviously do not own a business.


Guest 2

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 07:49AM – #10

This thread has gotten WAY carried away. I am also a business owner in the Historic Core and I am glad for filming. We do need the money, and many people that would not come downtown otherwise are able to see the progress made down here. Many of them have come back when there wasn't any filming going on and I have had many people stop by when they are on breaks or such.

Not to mention, I am happy to see people working in LA, which means they have money to spend here, wether it is downtown or the westside, it doesn't matter. Offer something they want and they will come buy it, but not if they don't have jobs and aren't making money.

Some people can be rude, and believe me, it isn't easy having your windows blocked or a street being hard to get to, but how is that different than people not wanting to come because of parking? Or the fact that Skid Row is 3 blocks away and crazy people roam the streets? Most westsiders can't handle that either and may not want to come down for those reasons. Fine, focus on the ones that don't mind.

This filming is a "necessary evil". It is what drives our economy in Los Angeles and our economy has fallen on hard times since the writers strike way back when, we need people to be working and spending their earned money. I will take this any day along with the people that they bring down here. I will suck it up along with the marches, and parades, and festivals because to me, it is all what downtown is about.


Guest 2

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 07:57AM – #11

I might also add that we usually get notice on filming in our area in advance. I make sure that my clients know when to come or I locate alternative routes for them, just as I do when there is a marathon or march or any other type of street closure. There is a positive way to deal with all of this and I think it is important not to have an "us vs. them" mentality on it all. There really is a lot more positive than negative with filming downtown.


Guest 2

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 08:13AM – #12

okay, i see the part now about notices. but does it look like the closures will be added as part of the NavigateLA mapping? it looks like we should be able to log on and check out what's happening in our area. does anyone know if this is the case?


Guest 3

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 08:32AM – #13

This is a bunch of crap and I agree with Bert. Filming in the historic core is fine, but there have been numerous occasions of both (1) un-permitted film and (2) restricted access to my home.

I don't care when or where they film, and I don't even mind the noise most of the time, but when they don't allow me to enter or leave my home, then it's a big issue.

It must suck for business owners when their customers can't access their business, but it REALLY sucks when someone can't access their home because of a frickin' film shoot...


Guest 2

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 08:46AM – #14

The last couple of people that I spoke to that said they couldn't access their homes (P.E. Lofts I think it was) were given some compensation. If this happens again, ask for it. It isn't fair that you weren't able to access your home. But does that happen on a regular basis?? Did they keep you out of your home for hours or all day? If so, that doesnt' seem right.

I remember filming on Broadway and blocking off the street for Alvin and the Chipmunks. It was late and there was security at the street corner keeping people from coming in. We told security that we lived on that block and all we had to do was wait until they called "cut" then we were allowed in. I have been inconvenienced, but only minorly.

It seems like you either like it or don't. There are a million things that people complain about living in downtown. I have seen threads on dog piss, homeless people, marches & festivals, people hating on ArtWalk and, of course, filming. We can nit-pick about it all and you will always find people for and against. I guess in the end, if there is constructive conversation about all of it, we can work together to make everyone happy. If you are THAT against it, get involved and do something about it.


Guest 1

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 10:17AM – #15

To create a plan of action and consultation on the filming issue, a subject close to Berts heart, one must have facts and statistical data to back up ones contentions. -By which we all can assess and develop a plan and/or inform ourselves on the facts. Hear-say is not documented losses and does not constitute truth, facts, or data. Also I would like to see lets say, losses over a year, the demographics etc. Therefore when/if this data is in hand and if it proves Bert's contentions of business losses etc. Then we have something in hand. Otherwise this is just a mental excercise. To try to isolate, deter and stop a major industry in Downtown (Downtown Studios et al) would be a big mistake without the facts and a real plan of action.

Howie on the Hill

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Guest 4

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 12:45PM – #16

THIS IS RIDICULOUS! FILM LA IS LAZY AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE SO MANY FILM SHOOTS THAT DON'T GET PERMITS, AND FILM LA DOESN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT! OUR BUILDING AND TENANTS HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING FOR MONTHS AND FILM LA WON'T DO A THING. WE CALL THE POLICE - NOTHING. THE NOISE, THE SHOUTING, THE SET UPS AND BREAK DOWNS - AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT... AND NOW THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY THAT IF ANYONE DISRUPTS THE SHOOT THEY WILL BE ARRESTED! ARE YOU SERIOUS???????????? OKAY WE NEED TO GET BULLHORNS AND PROTEST EVERY SHOOT THAT DISRUPTS TENANTS AND THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES. FILM LA IS A JOKE.


Guest 5

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 02:07PM – #17

As a Downtown L.A. Denizen for over a quarter of a century, Los Angeles filming has been a great economic engine. From Repo Man on Santa Fe, in what was then called "the Loft District" (now "Arts District") to "As Good As It Gets" filmed in part on 4th and Main (before Tom Gilmore 1st development) and now the many commercials, seen everyday, all over the world. The industry helped pay for Tom Gilmore's orignial development (with rental fees), and now employs many of my artists and craft working friends.

Sure Downtown Filming is a pain...but so is going to work everyday. 2OX OK TK Nagano


Guest 6

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 02:36PM – #18

The new ordinance that is refernced in the article also allows the LAPD to enforce film permit conditions that are not followed by the production company. It is not just only for persons that interfere with filming. Also, with respect to unpermitted filming, the LAPD has filed criminal charges against persons operating without a film permit.


Guest 7

Guest on April 29, 2010, at 11:16PM – #19

You people have no idea what this does.

First the already rude and despotic production companies (with noney - yes not ALL prodcos are included) will be able to dispose of public spaces when and however the F they please.

Why is this wrong? the key word is PUBLIC as in - WE ALL PAY FOR IT --.

Just because they are shooting a movie (woopede F'n doo) with some famous idiot doesn't give them any right to get in my way and tell me I can't cross, pass, come in or come out, make noise etc.

Not just that but now the city will use the police to shut you up if you dare to do anything to complain.

And of course in another cool move they are also killing the tiny competition, the message is clear and loud --NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO SET A CAMERA IN LA UNLESS THEY HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT--, smart... one man applausse, they deserve it!

So in behalf of the powerful studios I would like to thank our idiotic, money-hungry politicians for scoring another one on favor of BIG MONEY... clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE?

First, stop protecting the big studios, productions are not going out of state because of filming permits BUT tax incentives plus need of a diversity of locations. Big studio is just using false pretenses to obtain more power to do whatever the F they want.

Second allow anybody to shoot without a permit as long as they don't disrupt traffic or block business entrances, that is what big studio should do.

Why take OUR parking spaces when they have the money to pay for a private parking and this city is plagued with them. Why close an entire street when is absolutely unnecessary?

Third if ANYbody wants to close off a street, please make sure it's actually necessary, for example to do a stunt. And if so, well, let them but have them pay for the necessary services to redirect traffic in an 8 block radius, pay for other parking lot when they block their parking entrances or rent out their parking structures, give them a small compensation when you block their apartment entrances, or at least invit them to visit the "crafty" truck, it's just fair.

Everytime I have to stop doing whatever I'm doing because Big studio decided to block me THEY ARE STEALING MY TIME, why should I give them that? Whatever my time is worth they are stealing it from me and adding value to their production. NOT FAIR!

Oscar.


Guest 8

Guest on April 30, 2010, at 12:26AM – #20

As a downtown resident, I'd like to know how we would know if something is properly permitted or not. Recently I tried to cross 7th on Spring during a busy weekend day and a 20-something guy said "ma'am, you can't cross right now...we are filming." I asked how long and he said to just 'hang' for about 10 minutes. He had stopped at least 10 tourists who knew no better. I simply stated that I was late somewhere, the streets were not shut down, there were no LAPD officers stopping traffic and walked when the walk sign turned. He said I was going to "get him in big trouble" with the director. PARDON ME MR DIRECTOR. Perhaps your PA's should have a copy of the permit! (And not call me 'ma'am' in that condescending manner that intimidated the tourists into submission.) This is not the first time a similar situation has happened. Once before I was extremely ill and stuck on a block for a half hour while a shoot was going on. They wouldn't even let me cross the street between takes. _What's the policy now based on this 'special events ordinance'? Could I get arrested for exercising my civil rights and walking across the street to my home? - J.J.


Guest 9

Guest on April 30, 2010, at 01:58AM – #21

"With the new system, closures are no longer required to be noticed and approved as part of a Board of Public Works meeting."

You still have to notify individual businesses and homeowners door to door and post those handy signs alerting people of the pending shoot. I've done this quite a few times for student film shoots. Quit flipping out over a non issue or hypothesizing that one day you'll show up and out of nowhere your law practice will be closed.


Guest 2

Guest on April 30, 2010, at 07:36AM – #22

Oscar- there are so many reasons that streets are closed and lanes blocked or public places permitted. do you have this much anger when the city decides to fix a street lane and they don't tell you? do you ignore the bright orange cones and walk into a construction zone because your tax dollars tell you you can? Are you angry they didn't come to your door and tell you in advance?

how about a march or protest? do you simply ignore barriers and move them so you can drive your car through? or are you just lashing out at film crews because you view them as the uncaring elite? this isn't an 80's movie and it isn't rich vs. middle class.

i would also like to point out, that many production companies are very small, and not these huge studios with tons of money and huge celebrities. Streets aren't closed just because and, they actually pay premium dollars for locations and usages of private lots all the time. The point is, they are pumping a lot of money into Los Angeles, which is severly in need. Did you happen to hear that our city government is laying people off? Maybe you heard they were going to be closed on certain days?

You also aren't thinking clearly when you suggest that ANY film crew should be able to film, sans permit, whenever they would like "as long as they aren't disrupting traffic or blocking business entrances". Do you know how impossible it would be to monitor that? Can you imagine the amount of crews that would abuse that and do whatever they want as long as they didn't get caught. There has to be some kind of regulation or there would be chaos.

If you would like to direct your anger, why not try the owners of the buildings downtown that people are filming in or in front of? It is them, not the city, that are allowing the filming in the first place. It is their hunger for those large premiums that are really disrupting you. Or did you really think that any film crew, large or small, could simply set up shop where ever they pleased and infringe on a sidewalk or building lobby without permission from the owner? I think before you go on another rant, you should step back and inform yourself a little more about the process.

Lastly, complaining about it won't fix your problems, it just makes you seem like a whiney grouch. Try doing something about it, come up with solutions that work instead of nitpicking about what you think crews should be able to do or not do based on your convenience levels. Also, a solution for you- if you hate celebrity and film culture so much, maybe a move to the MidWest would better suit you.


Josh Gray-Emmer on April 30, 2010, at 10:27AM – #23

I have to agree with the last Guest comment. Most residents don't have a voice because they are not PROPERTY OWNERS. Every single shoot that happens here in Downtown LA is signed off on and permitted. This means that appropriate agencies are notified and people PAID.

My building owner makes BANK, as is his RIGHT for investing the money to buy the building in the first place all those years ago. If he told the film companies to get lost, they would never film on Spring Street between 6th and 7th.

Downtown filming is completely under control by the building owners, it works for them. If you're not happy as a tenant, talk to the building owner who SIGNED A CONTRACT with the film companies to allow all the stuff you're not happy with.

Cheers!!!

Josh


Guest 8

Guest on April 30, 2010, at 01:10PM – #24

Josh, I agree that building owners have rights...but perhaps the city council or legislative body need to provide a tenant 'bill of rights' so that we know what's legal and what's not. I am not going to listen to some 20 year old punk with an attitude telling me I can't go home unless he has proof of a permit! THAT IS MY RIGHT no matter what my building owner says! J.J.


Guest 10

Guest on April 30, 2010, at 02:47PM – #25

J.J. you may have signed away your rights when you signed a lease agreement. a lot of these lease agreements actually have clauses for filming and by siging your lease, you are agreeing to the owner/managements terms in regards to that. I certainly remember one in mine and I also had to sign something on my business lease as well.

no one should be treated poorly, so i certainly don't want that condoned, but we do need to all come to an understanding of respect, for us who live here and for the filming crews who are paying top dollar to film down here. My mother always says "bee's and honey......" i think that we are ultimately talking about human beings, who, if treated nicely and like we ourselves would want to be treated, probably won't throw so much shade and will end up helping instead of hindering.


Jenni Simcoe on April 30, 2010, at 04:11PM – #26

I work downtown and have had it happen to me where I got held back from my day because of a film shoot. They do need to make the rights of pedestrians clearer--whether or not they live or work downtown. It seems like the answer would be to make the people in charge of stopping pedestrian traffic to have a permit in hand. That way everyone would know if it was a legally permitted shoot or not. Is there anything in place like that or planned with the new ordinance? Anyone know?


Guest 6

Guest on May 03, 2010, at 11:42AM – #27

All the officers at any filming location have to have a copy of the film permit with them. If theproduction is using non officers to stop people ont he sidewalk, they too have to have a copy of the permit. They shouldn't be holding people for long periods of time..it is usually around 2 minutes that is allowed, could be more or less.


Guest 11

Guest on May 04, 2010, at 11:41AM – #28

Productions shoot in my neighborhood (7th and Santa Fe) all the time. The big ones aren't any problem, but FILM LA can't tell a student film from big-budget feature. Some rinky-dink "producer" convinced FILM LA that her spec shoot wasn't going to be any trouble at all. Maybe not for them. We finally had to call the police and FILM LA's weekend minion to get rid of these people. The guy who gave her a permit told me he didn't even ask her how many people, parking, etc.



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