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After Active Weekend, Must Fans Must Wait

By Ed Fuentes with Eric Richardson
Published: Tuesday, July 06, 2010, at 11:42PM
IMG_0557 Ed Fuentes

A look inside the empty space that until this weekend held The Must wine bar.

Unlike the coup d'état by J.P. Lounge that took place in the early morning hours on Saturday, resolution for the murky situation faced by Historic Core wine bar The Must won't be resolved overnight.

The bar's management team filed an application for a temporary restraining order through the American Arbitration Association on Tuesday morning. "There is a civil matter pending,” co-owner Rachel Thomas said early in the afternoon. “Other than that, we are in a waiting game.”

Leasing for the retail space in the Security Lofts is handled by the Simpson Property Group's corporate headquarters in Denver, so local management was left waiting for staff to return from the holiday weekend. A source with the company who asked not to be named said Tuesday that the leases are being reviewed, and that an internal announcement will be made “once everything is ironed out.”

While Saturday's change out was sudden, it had been brewing for months. Julie Rico and Sid Carter, partners in master lease holder Weeneez, LLC., had been shopping the combined spaces since at least December.

In comments here on blogdowntown, Rico has maintained that notice to vacate was given to The Must on July 1, just two days before the space was emptied after the bar closed on Friday night.

Representatives for The Must say they didn't get the notice. “It was not delivered to anyone on July 1,” said Thomas Moore, the attorney representing owners of The Must. “The first notice that anyone received was on the morning of July 3, when Rachel Thomas discovered that all of The Must's property had been removed.”

“All of this -- the movers, the locksmith, the new tenant, the negotiations with the landlord, the notices, etc. -- takes days or even weeks to arrange," Moore added. “The idea was to strike over the long weekend.”

Despite the move-out, Weeneez, LLC does appear to have deposited the bar's July rent check. Documents provided to blogdowntown show cancelled checks for May, June and July, all with the word "Rent" scribbled out in the comment line.

While public sentiment has been clearly on the side of The Must, the strength of the bar's legal position remains to be seen. Ownership told blogdowntown that they were aware of Weeneez' sale efforts, though they were unaware of the sale that took place.

Weeneez, LLC is also owner of the bar's liquor license, which was first issued to "Red Dot Bistro," the limited-hours eatery she opened in late 2006. The space was then leased to Lime Cafe, which lasted only a few months. It was then back on the lease market before The Must signed on in 2008.

A fundraiser for bar employees affected by the sudden closure will be held on Saturday, July 10, at the Farmers & Merchants Bank (4th and Spring). Entry to the event, which will run from 7 to 11pm, is $20. All proceeds go to the employees' lost wages.

On the sidewalks outside The Must, the bar's fans have in recent days talked of a picket line during this Thursday's Downtown Art Walk. That may not be the best idea, said Captain Todd Chamberlain, head of LAPD's Central Division. "There can be a picket line, but people have to keep moving and not impede pedestrians," Chamberlain said. "With the sidewalks busier during Art Walk night, it may not be a good time."

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Michael Sweeney on July 06, 2010, at 11:59PM – #1

Congratulations, Julie Rico--for a good long time to come, Google is going to remember you for really, really lousy hotdogs and grand theft. This plan clearly worked out exactly like it was supposed to...


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on July 07, 2010, at 12:00AM – #2

KTLA's coverage of the story (someone's paying attention to the DTLA blog chatter!) --


Jenni Simcoe on July 07, 2010, at 12:06AM – #3

Great article Ed & Eric! You guys have showed grace under pressure this week and have shown what real community journalism is. A fair portrait of the facts, no matter how controversial the subject. From one journalist to another, Great Job!


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 12:50AM – #4

Good bye weenez... and lets face it, the must really wasn't that great. Always loud and an obnoxious bridge and tunnel crowd. Julie sounds shady, hopefully she will go to jail, and some good use will be made out of the corner where weenez is, and well, the must, really isnt a must, it's more of a maybe.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 12:51AM – #5

Its despicable that no one from the city has stepped forward to hasten this along so that the employees of the Must can get back to work and the owners of a thriving, respectable, tax paying business get back to serving the community. Not even a peep.

I'll remember this more than any other issue when it comes time to vote.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 01:08AM – #6

Great segment on the news.

Julie can now create a new concept of “jailer dogs” and “penitentiary pups” after she is arrested for the multiple counts of fraud and grand theft that await her. But remember that Sid Carter and new owner David Holtzman are also equal partner in this fraud and theft.

Do her press agent defenders of Howie on the Hill/ Don Noyes More/ Gloria Stanton/ Thomas Johnson/ Anna Maria Lopez/ Sybil still believe in all her innocence? Oh, they (or Don) have fled to the hills disowning that they ever met except a brief encounter.

If this is all so ethical and legal why does one need to run from the cameras and stalk in the night?

Oh but downtown is becoming a 24 hour community so even that will not offer much respite.

Please keep up all the destruction of The Must Bar behind closed doors as the damages multiply exponentially of what you have spawned.

This script is only beginning as the new summer blockbuster Monster movie starts. Starring Julie Rico.

“It is because we had a monster on our hands and we needed to get out from under it.”

The monster of public ridicule is just starting. Welcome to the black lagoon.

Art Walk Thursday with 20,000 neighbors informed of your deeds will be a very fun homecoming for “The new concept.”

First time street theater may be more entertaining than the art.


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() on July 07, 2010, at 01:13AM – #7

KTLA got it right. Bye Julie.


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bill on July 07, 2010, at 06:54AM – #8

I had read the previous postings on the rape of THE MUST and was curious to see first hand the situation, so yesterday evening I walked my dogs from South Park over to Historic. When I turned the corner from Spring on to Fifth I was struck by the knot of people standing in front of the papered-over windows of what was THE MUST. It was like a wake. People were genuinely upset and sad over what had happened.
Downtown may seem huge to an outsider, but it is, in fact, a small town community. There are so many ways we feel connected and when one of our own is harmed, we feel outrage, even if we don't personally know them. Harm done to one of us is harm done to us all. Although I don't know any of the principals in this drama, I do know the contribution THE MUST has made to our community, and I do know the hurt everyone is feeling. Hopefully, this will end with THE MUST reemerging stronger and more vibrant than ever. I, for one, am truly sorry for their loss and wish them speed in their recovery.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 06:57AM – #9

After thinking about the various machinations of the grifters who have spent so many years trying to position themselves as power players in the the Downtown territory....

it would seem that at long last Julie Rico has done something not even she thought was possible...

she brought so many different elements together in common purpose...

one can not help but wonder what she and Barry Shy could do if they were were to team up (it would involve massive quantities of cockroaches, that is for sure)

It is too damn bad that in destroying what is left of her reputation, she so significantly harmed people who did nothing to her, except make possible her being able to pay her rent on her benighted corner.

Also, she knows that the wheels of justice move slowly.... and that is what she counting on as, one can infer, she proceeds along with her next scam...I mean concept.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 07:17AM – #10

Guest #5 - To be fair, the city isn't where this needs to be resolved. City police responded, but civil matters like contracts need to be reviewed by the courts. Councilwoman Perry (it's her district) could contact the building ownership and tell them she doesn't like what happened and she'd like to see the lease given back to the Must, which would put political pressure on the owners, but there's no city government function that would have changed anything over the weekend anyway.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 07:54AM – #11

Nancy, unfortunately you are right. The system is beyond slow. What might work, and would be a fistful of karma, would be for Simpson Housing (the actual lease holders) found grounds in the myriad of illegal activities and leglly terminated Ms. Rico's lease. Then she can be the one who can duke it out in a very long and very costly court battle- seems very appropriate and I hope it happens.

I have spoke to someone at Simpson Housing who said they are looking into it. What they might want to know is that the previous eviction notice that Julie posted (the gnarley yellow one) has been replaced by a white one that actually names Simpson Housing as the actual company that terminated the lease with Julie Rico. I spoke to a couple of people who said that is not the case, and the Julie actually formulated this letter herself without the consent of Simpson Housing.

How low will she stoop before this is over? The even more devastating aspect is how fast Julie and David seem to be tearing apart the two spaces to make way for the "new concept".

Oh, did anyone else notice that in The Downtown News Julie now mentions that Weeneez will be gone too? How many more stories and ideas will we hear from her before it's all over?

I really do hope there is enough evidence soon to scoop her up and cart her off to jail.


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mgmve () on July 07, 2010, at 07:57AM – #12

#4 - no, the must really was that great. Sure not all the patrons were local, and it could get loud - but it is a bar, in some aspect, so what do you expect?

But other than that, the people who run it are great people, the people who work there are great people (our group loved Casey, Val & Angela - and Paul, who I believe had just returned), the food was the best in downtown, and the red sangria was always flowing. I await the return of the Must wherever and whenever, and hope that it comes back stronger than ever.

Also, I know my friends and I will be attending the fundraiser saturday.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:02AM – #13

I think I'll be avoiding J.P.Lounge on principle.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 08:14AM – #14

Guest #11,

All of this has the stink of someone who is well versed in gaming the system: the double talk, the disingenuous protestations of innocence, the hilarious shills and sock puppets...the phony press releases, the assertion that someone who can't make the rent can actually have an attorney on retainer...and the blitz attack over a holiday weekend while having the chutzpah to cash a check she knew she wasn't going to honor.

But also Julie knows something that has been lost on those who think The Must can easily recover from this abusive and highly illegal attack. (and yeah, you couch potato "lawyers" might want to actually read carefully the posts in the last thread before you assert this is not a criminal matter.)

Julie knows that the most successful restaurants in this burg most often can never recover from having to relocate, and putting one's ducks in a row takes time.

This all smells of attack which was calculated to destroy The Must, not just have them move.

One can infer that this was malicious and calculated action where someone experienced in finessing the process can play this thing out for literally years....knowing that...yeah, possession is nine tenths of the law.

And Simpson, who knows that legally evicting a deadbeat tenant is a nightmare, can't resort to the tactics which the LLC formerly known as Weenez did. One would hope that they are willing to join forces with The Must in the name of Truth, Justice and the American Way....


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:16AM – #15

@guest #4, you are entitled to your opinions. the huge throngs of people posting on these articles (btw the most post I have ever seen on any blogdowntown article) would like to respectfully disagree with you- except on the weeneez part "good bye weeneez" indeed!


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:20AM – #16

Nancy,

The Must would certainly win damages, as would employees, if and when this thing goes to court, but you are so right, a woman who can't pay her rent probably doesn't have proper insurance either- I doubt a win would get anything from her. She is as broke as her moral compass. Really sad.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 08:22AM – #17

Guest #15,

I always have to laugh my butt off when someone uses the term "bridge and tunnel" crowd when referring to Los Angeles.

I guess they aspire to have a two room flat in Hell's Kitchen, and fail to realize the class in this town doesn't live in DTLA, they live in San Marino or Hancock Park.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 08:27AM – #18

Guest #16....

I am willing to guess that The Must's only hope of getting any damages out of their landlord, is go on Judge Judy!

The usual not move of such a system gamer is to head into bankruptcy court....and her creditors are left with nothing to do but pound sand.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:27AM – #19

Nancy, methinks I know the "bridge and tunnel" poster..... She doesn't hide herself very well. This is how she speaks all the time, along with her disdain for "yuppies" and "hipsters". She should just start signing her posts or at least changing her venacular so that we don't immediately roll our eyes.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 08:35AM – #20

#19,

I think I am thinking of the same person...but you gotta know that someone who talks like that is from places like Levittown or Great Neck.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:40AM – #21

It's LAPD's job to make a picket or protest safe regardless of the circumstances. Don't let them intimidate you.

Keep the picket walking around the crosswalk when the light is in your favor, don't step into the street if the crosswalk light is not for pedestrians. The traffic tie-up will be intense and you will be in complete compliance with all pedestrian laws.

"Justice for The Must! Justice for The Must!"


Chris Loos on July 07, 2010, at 09:00AM – #22

Nancy,

I use Bridge and Tunnel to describe "the unwashed masses" coming into a city for nightlife regardless of whether I'm talking about people from Jersey and Queens in Manhattan, Virginia and Maryland residents coming into DC, or people from the more suburban LA nabes visiting Downtown Its a hilariously patronizing term. Come up with something better and more specific to LA, and I'm sure people would be glad to start using it.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 09:06AM – #23

People from the South Bay or the Valley are just as likely to be as hip as thou....

That is the nice thing of actually being from LA, you live in a lot of neighborhoods....

and know when to haul butt when your neighborhood becomes too precious for words.

I understand Eagle Rock is becoming hot....for those in the know.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 09:10AM – #24

chris.... axe to grind?? your living in an area that is going to blow up (if not already) with new people and new ideas.... it might be time to rethink your living arrangement if you cannot learn to coexist with people that weren't born and raised in downtown los angeles.


Chris Loos on July 07, 2010, at 09:12AM – #25

Nancy,

Also, I think you might have missed the original meaning- it has less to do with social class, and more to do with not being cool and not being from the heart of the city. The term was originally used by club kids in NYC back in the day. I used to get some good-natured prodding from my NYC friends when I'd come into the city on weekends from New Brunswick, NJ. None of them were particularly wealthy; just deeper in the club scene, and all living in the E. Village or L.E.S.

So Downtown being the center of cool in LA, I think labeling outsiders as B&T is perfectly legit :)


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 09:18AM – #26

Downtown stopped being cool when they put in the condos.

Downtown was cool for one brief moment in the 80's when people came down to Madame Wongs, and artists went to Gorky's.

If you want Cool in LA, try the old reliables: Topanga, Laurel Canyon, West Hollywood, Venice.

Oh, if you live at Brewery, you might be cool. Otherwise, it is all "If you lived here, you'd be home by now."

and yeah, Chris, I am not a moron. I understood exactly what you meant...I just reject your premise.

Los Angeles has never had a Bridge and Tunnel Crowd. Because even today, there is no Manhattan in LA.


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Dixon on July 07, 2010, at 09:39AM – #27

Nancy, don't forget those wonderful pre-Must bars Harolds, the Waldorf, MainSpring and Belmont. Downtown was cool then.


Chris Loos on July 07, 2010, at 09:43AM – #28

If you think West Hollywood is cooler than Downtown, then I don't think we're going to agree on much else, so lets leave it at that :)


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 09:43AM – #29

Heck, I am so old I remember when Beats used to go David's Ye Me Lo's in old Chinatown.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 10:03AM – #30

Chris,

Cool is not a concept which I care about much. I really think it a sign of insecurity to turn up one's nose at people who work Downtown, and live in the Valley because they have children. Or live at the beach and decide to throw their very uncool dollars at local businesses after traveling downtown to attend the Opera or try a restaurant a friend owns.

People from Los Angeles tend to actually know their city. And one of the most annoying things about people who move here from the East is that that have serious problems understanding this city and project they own Manhattan provincialism...yeah, provincialism...on a city which has no center....but has a heart which covers millions of people from Santa Barbara to Long Beach.

Your Bridge and Tunnel slur could describe people who drive hours to work from the Antelope Valley or "The Inland Empire" because they want their families to live in safe, affordable communities. And they have no hope of affording a house in the county.

Or it could describe someone who can buy and sell anyone one in this area, and who lives in Brentwood or the Palisades or La Canada.

And like I say, when you push out the artists, the bums and the other undesirables....the area you think is so cool is just the valley with no kids.

And hustlers, and scam artists and wannabes.


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Dixon on July 07, 2010, at 10:26AM – #31

Hey, Nancy, after hitting those old Main Street gay bars I would often head down to the Atomic Cafe for a bowl of pork noodles. Did I ever see you there? I was the one who always played the Bags on the jukebox.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 10:29AM – #32

CR,

By then I was somebody's mother and was more interested in Happy Meals than punk bands.

But I did go the Whiskey and heard the Plasmatics once, tho...

Just call me Bridge and Tunnel Nano!


Azzi Kashani on July 07, 2010, at 10:42AM – #33

why don't we just stick to the topic?


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() on July 07, 2010, at 10:42AM – #34

to me, the use of 'bridge & tunnel' has always been about the connection and respect for our community that the people it is directed towards seem to have. it has less to do with the fact that they live out in the suburbs, and is more about how their interest in the community stops and starts at specific bars and restaurants. but more than that, i think it's just a simplistic shorthand people use when they get pissed off. it's somewhat comforting to think of them as 'bridge & tunnel' when you see idiots yelling racial epithets at a security guard and pissing on buildings on spring street as they make their way back to their car from bar 107.

certainly nobody can accuse sid and julie (and everyone involved in the must) of being part of the bridge and tunnel crowd. i know quite a few people are having trouble reconciling their recent bizarre acts with many of the good things that julie and sid have done (like supporting the skid row artists, the old dlanc residents committee, the recent fundraiser for richard godfrey, and more i'm sure i'm forgetting or not aware of).


Chris Loos on July 07, 2010, at 10:55AM – #35

Nancy,

I think you're maybe projecting what you've heard from other people onto me. I think B&T is a funny term, but I certainly wouldn't consider it a slur. Like I said in my post, I lived in Jersey for a time, and got my share of B&T labeling. I never take much offense because it was never intended as such.

As for insecurity, well...you are entitled to your opinion. I could just as easily sit here make conjecture about how proclaiming oneself to be "more local" than others is a sure sign of insecurity. We all have our opinions.

As for those who choose to live an hour out of downtown and drive in for their jobs, I wouldn't really call label them "uncool", but I would label them as:

1) Hypocrites, for criticizing BP and the government for the oil spill while blissfully leading the kind of car dependent life style that created it.

2) Foolish, for setting themselves and their families up for future failure. When we're paying $10.00/gallon for gas in a few years, living 40 miles out for a bigger house and better schools won't seem like the brightest plan. Selling those houses in the far-flung burbs won't really be an option then, either.


Guest 8

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:24AM – #36

Shut up nao


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on July 07, 2010, at 01:08PM – #37

PLEASE STOP! Assumptions! Accusations! Finger Pointing! Shame on all of you. How do you think this all looks to the rest of the world? This is so out of control. Let's move on and keep "our" downtown in a positive light where people will want to come live and visit and spend money. Let's not air our dirty laundry in public for the world to see. Look at all this waisted energy that could be re-directed to something that is our business and needs our attention. Like helping the homeless in our neighborhood. I am so saddened by the way everyone is behaving. Let's promote peace and not war in our own backyard. Don't they say "Peace begins at home"


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on July 07, 2010, at 01:17PM – #38

Prayer for World Peace by Iyanla Vanzant

Precious Lord of the Universe: TODAY, I am laying down all weapons of anger and attack in my thoughts, my words and my actions. TODAY, I am laying down the grievances and upsets that have led me to attack others and brutally assault myself. TODAY, I am laying down all thoughts of criticism and judgment, all words of destructive defensiveness and all acts of vicious vengeance and violence against myself and all others. TODAY, I ask that you cleanse me of all thoughts and words of aggression, so that I may take the necessary steps toward being peaceful in my own heart and offering that peace to the world. TODAY, I ask that you remind me how important I am in ensuring the active presence of peace. TODAY, I am opening my heart and sending forth the light of love to all world leaders. TODAY, I am opening my mind to the creation and experience of a world where aggression and violence sleep forever. TODAY, I am opening my eyes to be aware of everything I can do or say that will promote the presence of peace. TODAY, I realize that peace begins with me. TODAY, I humbly surrender myself, every thought I think, every word I speak, everything I do, to the creation, maintenance and advancement of peace. TODAY, I ask for peace, I invite peace in and I dedicate myself to promoting peace in my every experience. Let the light of peace reign in me! May the presence of peace reign in the world. Let the power of peace shine forth through me! May peace pervade the world! Let it be so! And So It Is!


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 01:29PM – #39

@FLEA - I agree with you 100% We need to spend this energy on focusing on helping THE MUST rebuild their business. It's not the end of the world. People get evicted all the time, sometimes businesses that have been a location for 30 years gets priced out because of rent, etc.

We need to understand that THE MUST needs our support and encouragement to move to the ROWAN or another building near ART WALK. I am positive they can get 5k investments from enough of us like the Nickel Diner did. They rented out a space under someone else license, kitchen, and permitting.

Let encourage them to rebuild. That's what a community is about. What happened was outrageous but let the courts award them any damages that they are owed.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 01:34PM – #40

WOW!!!

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/?watchId=dba24110-004c-43a5-813b-7662c7cd88da


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 01:44PM – #41

squashes Flea with thumb

SQUISH!


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on July 07, 2010, at 02:09PM – #42

Thank you #39. My message is directed to everyone, not just the Must or Weenez.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 02:39PM – #43

Flea,

you would want the same outpouring of support if this happened to you.

you also might want to read some of the posts in the previous article. we are way past accusations. Julie Rico has admitted to EVERYTHING. there is nothing to speculate... the pointing was done, in the end, by rico herself. the questions are now about morality and legality... was Julie Rico being the least bit moral in her deep night raid of the all property inside The Must and was it at all legal?

Peace and Love don't pay the bills. Maybe they pay yours, but they don't pay mine and they certainly aren't paying the bills of any of the displaced employees.

Julie Rico cannot be "forgiven" yet (if ever) because of the dramatic and wide reaching effect of her actions. So many innocent people have been negatively effected by her narcissism and jealousy.... how can you, as a business owner, sit idley by and preach that we all remain nuetral. If Barry Shy did this to you, I would fight tooth and nail for you. I would not give a man with that kind of track record "the benefit of the doubt". Why are you asking us to do the same for Julie Rico??


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 02:49PM – #44

Will Julie be arrested? Can we oust her and her associated business from the neighborhood with some type of petition? Her presence is hazardous to the health of us all.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 03:00PM – #45

flea, not a good idea to reprimand your potential customers so publicly. next time, i might say the same thing- but maybe under anonimity. you have too much to loose by taking sides.


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on July 07, 2010, at 03:21PM – #46

#45 I wasn't taking sides or reprimanding anyone that I was aware of. I just feel sadened by all of this and wish everyone the best possible outcome. I too enjoyed the Must and am sorry this happened to them. And #43. I only wanted to share some words of Peace as I see it, that's all. And I think that the Must is lucky to be so loved and supported.


Guest 14

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 03:31PM – #47

on the upside this theatre is definitely more interesting than anything happeing over in South Park.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 03:43PM – #48

Talk about a tempest in a teapot. Three stories and untold comments about the "rape of the must" as #8 so eloquently put it. The tone of most of these comments, and of the reporting itself, is clearly tilted in favor of The Must's owners/employees, and while the facts as we know them certainly seem to indicate that The Must crew got screwed, the truth might very well be more complicated.


Guest 12

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 04:41PM – #49

#48/Don, when the truth finally comes out, I will be the first in line to shove it in your face.


Guest 12

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 04:42PM – #50

also, the reporting is not biased at all. they are simply stating the facts as they have them. i'm sure they would LOVE to have a sit down interview with your friend Julie Rico and hear her side.

what's the reason that she keeps avoiding that we are beyond ready to hear her side.


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Nancy Richardson () on July 07, 2010, at 04:57PM – #51

Did the earth move for you?


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 05:16PM – #52

@#48 who the hell is don? i get it that everyone has some personal axe to grind over this story but seriously, settle down. i'm just a blogdowntown reader. i've never met julie, never went to the must (i live in the arts district and we have our own joints), and haven't a clue who don is. and what i wrote is true. 90% of what is being said here related to this story is speculation. i'm sure, after what is obviously going to be a very lengthy and expensive lawsuit, all will be revealed. and it might very well be in favor of the must crew. but until then, we are all just speculating.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 05:48PM – #53

I'm a relative newcomer to DTLA, so I'm just getting a feel for the place. I have been fortunate that I've had the opportunity on several occasions to eat at the MUST, and it quickly became a favorite of mine. Having said that, I'm a little disappointed at the anger in the various posts I've read. They've settled into attacks on gays, non DTLA residents, "yuppies" and anyone else that might be an "outsider". The fact that I'm new here, makes me wonder if I might fall under one of those "catagories" and be the target of some of these attacks. Let's try and keep an open mind towards each other. I believe in the end, justice will prevail and the folks at the Must will end up on their feet.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 06:01PM – #54

#52, your obviously not reading any of these articles. you have also missed the piece on the 10pm news yesterday. there is no speculation anymore. Julie Rico has admitted to everything she is accused of, the only thing that remains to be seen is wether what she did was legal or not. EVERYONE agrees that it was shady and underhanded.

if you lived on this side of town, you'd not only be more informed, but you'd give a damn.


Guest 12

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 06:04PM – #55

when something happens on your side that your passionate about, i'll make sure to tell you to pipe down about it. then we'll be even.


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Guest on July 07, 2010, at 06:22PM – #56

@#54 actually, you're the one not reading the posts. here's the part you skipped in the above article:

"While public sentiment has been clearly on the side of The Must, the strength of the bar's legal position remains to be seen. Ownership told blogdowntown that they were aware of Weeneez' sale efforts, though they were unaware of the sale that took place."

do you understand that part about the bar's legal position? regardless of whether 'everyone' agrees that what happened was shady (and it definitely appears it was, as i already stated) the fact is that this is going to be a complicated lawsuit given the issues with the lease, etc. just because rico 'admitted' to everything in the comments section of a blog doesn't mean she wouldn't come out on top in a lawsuit. all of that remains to be seen. so whether you want to admit it or not, you are speculating. and being informed has nothing to do with which side of town you or i live on. stop being so provincial.


Guest 17

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 07:20PM – #57

Exactly. As shady as all of this has been the facts remain to be seen. I think Julie has always owned both spaces and paid for both spaces. She may or may not be crazy but she still owned the license and thinks she has rights to both spaces because she is the one that put down the initial investment when no one else would touch DT. Maybe you have to be crazy to do that but DT is a better place because of these pioneers.


Guest 18

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:37PM – #58

THE TOPIC IS THE MUST BAR BOYZ: Same bunch of Queens squibbling and cat fighting. Nails and threats. Gays never get over it. Queens will be Queens. Bitch about one thing and then another. Why not stick to the topic The Must. - Not vague issues and assorted people you just don't like or are long lost ex-lovers from SF. All you are doing is pulling attention away from the real important people THE MUST. Mr. B. get over it. Your rantings are over 5 years old. rant rant rant... at lest keep to the Topic. Snore.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:47PM – #59

Guest #54- thanks for pointing this out! Now where does it say blogdowntown sides with The Must? Grow up, your not as smart as you think.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 08:52PM – #60

Let's not forget the smoking gun- google Weenez LoopNet.com. Regardless of Julie's lease- she is caught literally trying to sell The Must- literally telling potential buyers not to talk to anyone at The Must. Explain that- all of you naysayers are ignoring the facts you say aren't there.....


Guest 18

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 09:11PM – #61

I have not written anywhere on the right or wrong of this matter by either party. But for my own, not public, final considerations I am taking into account that the Must's July rent check was cashed. Second: the fact that there seems to be no legal notice given and giving at least 3 days notice to the owners, if the eviction in fact was legal at all under their mutual contract. But as said I'll decide in private & with the family. Then we'll go on to something else. Speculation IS the bitch. I'm always saddened by personal attacks and a "get Joey" attitude. On the otherhand I am deeply saddened a nice group of people: The Must are no longer in Downtown. All Business is important.


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 09:11PM – #62

#60 It's 'you're not as smart as you think', not 'your not as smart as you think.' Your turn to grow up.

#61 There's no such thing as a smoking gun. It's a lame metaphor used in television cop shows and has zero relevance in this case.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 09:26PM – #63

#63... should i proof read all your posts as well (ps neither of us is using proper caps).... grow up. did you even bother to go to the google the information in the post or would you rather remain ignorant??

the lame metaphor was "Talk about a tempest in a teapot", my grandparents don't even talk like this.

would you like to retract your statment accusing blogdowntown of biased reporting, or can you point out their bias like i asked? or would you rather jump around and attack me so you don't have to admit you were wrong?

the problem is that the judicial system is slow, if we as a community can't rally and at least speak our minds, it means we just wait for things to work themselves out in the legal system. The Must loses if we ignore what's going on and wait for everyone with authority to tell us what is and isn't like sheep.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 09:31PM – #64

.... and zero relevance? she is trying to sell a business that isn't hers!!!! she is telling people that contact her NOT to talk to anyone at the must. a smoking gun is a metaphor that would refer to a piece of evidence that is like a beacon to wrong doing. in this case, trying to sell a business that isn't theirs.

unless you think not one, but two smart business women would enter into a contract where they build a business for someone else to sell at will?? moron.


Guest 7

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:03PM – #65

"The smoking gun" in this case is the absence of a document noticing the tenants of eviction that was duly served on them prior to the eviction.

Julie Rico, et al set out to cause harm to The Must for Julie Rico, et al's economic advantage and the economic disadvantage of The Must.

This is not a case where The Must neglected to read the fine print.

This is a case where a frustrated business operator unable to make various efforts succeed in her own ventures, attempts to capitalize on the success of a subtenant who built a patron base at a location Julie Rico, et al were never able to make profitable.

Whether or not Julie Rico, et al broke a criminal law remains to be determined. But The Must operators have legitimate claims to damages and based upon the case Barry Shy lost related to a space at Sixth and Spring, Julie Rico, et al may end up owing The Must millions of dollars.


Guest 19

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:08PM – #66

I dont see Julie getting busted any time soon. Eventually yes but summer, fall winter .. no way. She'll be in Cuba by then with someone elses bar sale under her coat. I dont see the Must getting back into the Must space any time soon. Fall maybe and then it's the rebuild so busines could start maybe winter. How are the Must folks going to pay their bills. Ladies we will suport you but perhaps another location now is the answer. If things go well reopen the Must at the same location. For now ... you need a new gig.


Guest 19

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:24PM – #67

listen 68 everthing you said has some truth to it but come on it was a shifty shady situation and The Must like it or not has been screwed. That means some ones dreams, plans, and future is off kilt. Lets have some feeling here before you head off to Cuba with Rico,


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:31PM – #68

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT THE MUST SUCKED!!!!!!!!!! SECOND ONLY TO WEENEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:44PM – #69

"The smoking gun" in this case is the absence of a document noticing the tenants of eviction that was duly served on them prior to the eviction.

Julie Rico, et al set out to cause harm to The Must for Julie Rico, et al's economic advantage and the economic disadvantage of The Must.

This is not a case where The Must neglected to read the fine print.

This is a case where a frustrated business operator unable to make various efforts succeed in her own ventures, attempts to capitalize on the success of a subtenant who built a patron base at a location Julie Rico, et al were never able to make profitable.

Whether or not Julie Rico, et al broke a criminal law remains to be determined. But The Must operators have legitimate claims to damages and based upon the case Barry Shy lost related to a space at Sixth and Spring, Julie Rico, et al may end up owing The Must millions of dollars.


Guest 7

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:46PM – #70

I don't think enough people are grasping how this is exactly the type of incident that will inhibit business investment in Downtown.

While on one hand this whole thing is caused by investment, Rico's straw partner, the ripple effect will be that more small business operators will read about this catastrophe and look at other areas to set-up their shops.

However you feel about the quality of The Must, the reality is that this is the type of incident that will make start-ups look elsewhere for fear of becoming too successful at a location only to be put out on the street by a troll looking to profit from their foot traffic.

That's right, this is all about a troll who has been sitting on that corner for years waiting for opportunity to strike.


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:58PM – #71

Please, don't you people get it? Everything #64/65 is saying is pure, unadulterated speculation! This entire blog via the comments section is a propaganda machine for The Must. It's completely obvious. And sorry but your smoking gun is still meaningless until this hits a court of law and we find out the opposing contracts that no one may have seen. Idiot!


Guest 19

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 10:59PM – #72

why do people keep picking on Bert Green?


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:02PM – #73

i can't believe you people are treating what happened to the must employees, some of whom our are friends like this. lame. lame. lame.


Guest 18

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:10PM – #74

Reality Check for the Terminally Bored

  1. The last 2 nights 16 thousand children died of hunger and exposure
  2. Every 9 seconds a woman is abused,
  3. We are watching an entire ecosphere being destroyed by BP Oil
  4. There are over 1.5 million American children living on the streets homeless
  5. Home foreclosures are destroying the American Middle Class
  6. Joblessness continues with downsizing
  7. THE MUST BAR GETS EVICTED??????????

There are other things of importance for your passions.


Guest 15

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:14PM – #75

Thank you for stating the obvious 89! Sadly it needed to be said re: this whole thing.


Guest 5

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:36PM – #76

no, #91, not an employee at all. i am actually another business owner in the area that is appauled that this type of thing can happen and who rents from questionable landlords (at times that is). if this can happen to them, what stops my landlords from illegaly seizing my property and changing my lease?? mine is solid, i read all the fine print... but if they can just pull a stunt like this on the thought that it will take years for a civil settlement, well that would ruin me, one of the new pioneers in downtown. this is personal and i feel for them, i know how hard it is to grow a successful business. it is beyond tragic for them.

i am also not "flaming" up your opposing viewpoint, i am just suggesting that you inform yourself like i have about some of the facts. you don't seem to want to, which is your choice, but if you are uninformed on what is happening you really shouldn't be starting beef. that's all. i gave you tools to find out some of what is going on and instead you wanted to correct my grammer. this is serious, not just as an issue for the community that i live in, but for small business in general. if this sort of thing can happen to them, anyone can feasably do this to any one of us small business owners and tie us up with expensive and time consuming legal fight, wether they are wrong or not. that is the issue i have with all of it, and wish you could see. my grammer isn't as important as preserving the small businesses that are paving the way for a changing downtown. your neighborhood in particular would be nothing without Urth Cafe and some of the other small businesses at barker block.


Guest 18

Guest on July 07, 2010, at 11:37PM – #77

Who done it, only the Shadow knows for sure. From out of the wilds of deepest New York, San Francisco and then Hollywood, the drag Queen herself Miz. "All People's Business" .

Who really is #32 #46 #63 #14 AND #12

Numbers what's in a number. And who are the other numbers anyway ? Who cares Snoringggggggggggggggv


User_32

Michelle on July 08, 2010, at 10:14AM – #78

This is horrible. I loved The Must and the people there. Hopefully this gets resolved SOON!


Jamie DeFrisco on July 08, 2010, at 11:08PM – #79

Not saying who is right and who is wrong, but I will say that what went down is shady and seems like it was plotted well beforehand. If you wanted to get rid of someone and were having issues with them, you evict them legally.

Anyhow if the Must doesn't re-open I will surely miss it. I rarely ever went to Weeneez and now will never go back.

Maybe Julie Rico had her reasons and could have been in the right, but she went about this in an unprofessional manner.


User_32

J-M on July 09, 2010, at 03:48AM – #80

Can't believe I'm going to chime in with Flea here, but I agree: is this what really keeps you guys and girls awake at night?? While this may be criminal/tragic/sad, is this what prompts 250 comments on a post? Let's just step over the homeless and mentally ill on our way to the next wine bar then. I enjoy Downtown as much as all of you (and I'm VERY proud to call this my community), but if this is what incurs your wrath, then god help us.


User_32

jojinks on July 09, 2010, at 07:48AM – #81

Weeneez is going to have to sell a lot of hot dogs to settle this legal battle.. Right or Wrong? Was it worth the bad PR to be so Shady!!! Someone is acting like a big Weenee!!!!!


User_32

R J Manola on July 11, 2010, at 01:18PM – #82

Great turn out for the benefit for The Must employees. Almost 300 attended.

Special thanks to Tom Gilmore and staff for donating the Farmer's and Merchants Bank.

Lots of added drama at the last minute as Julie Rico called the LAPD and tried to have the private event shut down. The arriving LAPD officer stated directly that a woman named Julie had called.

Nice to know that Julie not only has destroyed 20 jobs, but then tries to make it impossible for the community to support them with a benefit.

We can only hope the community gives Julie the same shut down support when the public notice of the liquor license transfer from the sale of Weeneez (and The Must which she and her partners did not own) occurs.


User_32

Dixon on July 11, 2010, at 01:32PM – #83

It's too bad the police were called, but it was unprofessional of the officer to give the name of the person complaining. I always thought such reports to the police were to be confidential.

There were no reports of comment-troll Don Noyes More ("Howie") at the event. It looks as if he's still presuming Rico's innocence and remains one of her chief supporters.


User_32

carter on July 11, 2010, at 02:02PM – #84

#82, here is a copy of the current beer & wine license for the premises, showing Julie and Sid Carter as officers of Weeneez, the actual licensee: http://www.abc.ca.gov/datport/LQSData.asp?ID= Just an FYI. and ps - my Carter screen name has nada/zilch/zippo to do with Sid Carter - coincidental only.


User_32

on July 12, 2010, at 05:08PM – #85

The event was fun and was a success! Thank you to all who donated the booze to the event.

Congrats Rico, you've out done yourself once again. Kudos.



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