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Designs Finalized for Spring Street Park

By Eric Richardson
Published: Monday, August 16, 2010, at 07:51PM
Spring Street Park Lehrer Architects LA / Bureau of Engineering

The design of the Spring Street Park is centered around an oval lawn and a rectangular plaza built of permeable paving.

A little over 18 months after the surprise announcement that a parking lot on Spring street would become a new park for the Historic Core, the final design is set.

Don't expect to be tossing around a frisbee this year, though. Those involved in the park's development hope to see it ready for the summer of 2012.

An oval-shaped lawn and a rectangular plaza are the central characteristics of the design for the space, as of now simply being called the Spring Street Park.

Plans for the park were first announced in January of 2009, when the city revealed that it had negotiated a deal with Downtown Properties to purchase the parcel that sits between the Rowan Lofts and the El Dorado Lofts. The original $5.6 million purchase price was eventually whittled down to $5.1 million.

Early plans by featured more decorative elements, continuing a series of geometric paving features through the lawn.

That didn't sit well with some nearby residents. "The whole point of the park should be to escape from the urban and not have to walk into a space that's totally programmed," explained Bert Green, who attended each of the community meetings on the park.

Through those meetings the design was simplified with an emphasis on green space.

"They listened to what we were saying," said Patti Berman, chair of the Downtown L.A. Neighborhood Council's Parks, Recreation and Open Space committee.

Now the city's Bureau of Engineering has begun work on construction drawings, a process that should take four to six months. The construction timeline will depend partially on what the city finds when it starts to dig into the foundations of the torn-down buildings that once stood on the site between 4th and 5th streets.

Still to be resolved is who will operate the park once it does open. Talks have included the creation of a non-profit similar to the one that operates Grand Hope Park, which was built by the city but is operated privately.

Berman, who plans to hold a town hall meeting to present the final design once the current neighborhood council impasse is resolved, said that some of those decisions may not be made until closer to opening day. "We need to see what the city's [financial] position is once we get that far," she said.

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Guest 1

Guest on August 16, 2010, at 08:36PM – #1

I'll tell you who will be operating the park: hobos.


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derblut on August 16, 2010, at 09:14PM – #2

I'm pretty sure the "guest" above was not involved in any of the community planning process. Your concern has been addressed. The park will be closed in the evenings and with 30-40 units in the El Dorado overlooking the park and maybe 60 in the Rowan constantly watching I'm sure there won't be any bad behavior going on. Let's be excited for some downtown green space.

Kudos to the city planners that incorporated community feedback in their designs, looks great.


Guest 2

Guest on August 16, 2010, at 09:20PM – #3

Will dogs be allowed in the park? If so, is there a plan to keep the park clean since the owners often don't pick up after their pets?


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Guest on August 16, 2010, at 11:23PM – #4

They should keep it private to the Rowan and El Dorado Lofts. I don't live in either, but I already picture Pershing Square type atmosphere. It is a very small space anyways, just let the loft dwellers have something to themselves. less than an acre, very small. Keep it private and you won't have another angels knoll (I think that's the name) and pershing square, both heavily used for residences by previously mentioned hobos. and with it's close proximity to the "nickel" area of the core, private seems better the more i think about it.


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LAofAnaheim on August 17, 2010, at 01:29AM – #5

^ Guest # 4....have you visited Grand Hope Park? It's a nice garden oasis here in South Park and as derblut mentioned, it's closed in the evenings to prevent said "hobos". This park on Spring street is not meant for El Dorado and Rowan residents, it was bought with the city's money; so it's for public use. The rest of us residents have the right to the space. Unless, if El Dorado and Rowan want to pay the $5.1 million to buy back the space.


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Guest on August 17, 2010, at 08:34AM – #6

If the City bought the park how do you think it will be maintained? I'll tell you, the city will charge crazy fees for the neighborhood to use the park. Do you think that money will go back into the park? No it won't. Either the neighborhood buys the park or we will end up with Pershing Parks II.


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David McBane on August 17, 2010, at 09:10AM – #7

#6 - The City will not be charging any fees to use the park. It's like you've never heard about this park, who bought it, and how it will be maintained in the last year and half despite a lot of press and community meetings to discuss it. Get a clue.


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Guest on August 17, 2010, at 09:35AM – #8

If you have such a strong disdain for the homeless, it is time for you to find a new neighborhood my friend. The homeless population is a part of our community, and this park will belong to us all - just like the sidewalks and corner stores we all frequent. You are a block away from the border of skid row, what do you expect? If you are looking for some sort of "oasis" to escape the homeless population, then move to the Valley.


Eric Wang on August 17, 2010, at 09:37AM – #9

I'm thankful for the new green space. This is awesome. Don't have time or patience for cynics.


Chris Loos on August 17, 2010, at 10:16AM – #10

I've only recently heard about the park and wasn't in attendance at any of the community meetings, but I'm really digging the plan! The Historic Core is in some dire need of civic space, and this fits the bill nicely. I don't see how this will be anything but a huge hit.

As for the resident quoted for the article, I think he meant "overdesigned", not "programmed". Programming refers to events scheduled to take place in a given space, not the design of a space.


Julie Jamerson on August 17, 2010, at 10:53AM – #11

Guest #8 is completely right. Downtown is their neighborhood as well as ours.

I am excited about the opportunity for a green space.


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Guest on August 17, 2010, at 11:28AM – #12

Small green park areas can only be a bonus to downtown. Any real problems that occur will have to be fixed.


Guest 7

Guest on August 17, 2010, at 01:34PM – #13

Park needs to be public and residents and other downtowners and visitors will need to pitch in and self patrol to some extent. We need to embrace the green space; not be cynical about it. Wish the original promises of a dog run were fulfilled.


James Bean on August 17, 2010, at 04:30PM – #14

I'm looking forward to it. Looks like another nice spot to have the Friday Night Movie.

And sorry the "guest" loft dweller has so much disdain for the homeless. Everyone has to live somewhere.


Guest 8

Guest on August 17, 2010, at 05:37PM – #15

Anyone know about the concerns guest #3 shared for dogs/dog owners?

I'm very excited about this park but hope that a separate section just for dogs to play/pee/poop in will be a part of it (or allowed at all?). In such a small space it won't be pleasant for people to sit and lay on the grass to relax if the same grass is being used for dogs' waste.

Wish I could have made the meetings but the times didn't work out with my work schedule.

Thank you to those community members who did represent!


Guest 9

Guest on August 17, 2010, at 06:28PM – #16

This is great. The next step is to start tearing out surface parking and replacing it with more civic space.

This would have to two-fold benefit of discouraging driving into downtown due to a price increase caused by a reduction in supply, giving an advantage to mass transit (which is quickly expanding via Expo Line).


Guest 10

Guest on August 17, 2010, at 10:19PM – #17

bioswales are bioswell

Hey...remember how Borat took a dump in Central Park? Will there be a Borat Zone?


Guest 11

Guest on August 17, 2010, at 10:24PM – #18

This looks like a nice design. I hope that this park is NOT operated like Grand/Hope Park. Grand/Hope is called a park, but was built as an incentive for FIDM and the adjacent apartment developer to build downtown. It is a "secured" campus for the properties. As such, the property is run more like a private yard than a park. Dogs are not welcome. The tax payers DID pay for this park though, and should be asking for more access. Maybe the new park will serve as a model for Grand/Hope.

By the way, did you know Beverley Hills allows dogs in its City parks, as long as they are on 6' leashes?


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Dixon on August 18, 2010, at 09:43AM – #19

This park will be small, so it would be great if it could be smoke free. I'd also like to see at least one drinking fountain in the park. There are so few public places to get a free drink of water.


Guest 12

Guest on August 18, 2010, at 11:22AM – #20

I think it would be better idea to build a separate dog park at another location. As a non-pet owner, I personally don't want to deal with anyone's dogs crapping all over the place. Leave that scenario for actual dog parks.

I think the park seems like a good idea, but why aren't there plans to revitalize Pershing Square first? Pershing Square is filled with rats, dirt areas, and transients. Why doesn't city council start with fixing issues at this park first before moving on to building a new one.


Guest 13

Guest on August 18, 2010, at 01:57PM – #21

Any way to see that image larger? I can't find any links to the original source, other than previous postings and a link to the architect page, which does not have the image.

Thanks!


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Barry P on August 18, 2010, at 02:15PM – #22

Check the Conceptual Design page for high-res files:


Guest 14

Guest on August 18, 2010, at 07:46PM – #23

This is really great, but like the other commenter, I wonder how they will control the dog poop (or rather, owners who do not clean up after their dogs)


Guest 15

Guest on August 18, 2010, at 07:57PM – #24

No downtown skate park anytime soon, I see.


Bolt Barbers on August 18, 2010, at 11:09PM – #25

Dudes & Dudettes. Kudo's to Councilwoman Jan Perry & others who have made Spring Street Park not just a mission, but a soon to be reality. I think we call that "Leadership" Bolt Barbers is proud to be a part of the blossoming Historic Core and Spring Street Park was a key factor in our decision to open our Los Angeles Flagship on 5th & Spring.


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Russell Brown on August 18, 2010, at 11:40PM – #26

How about a skate park at the abandoned state office building foundation adjacent to the Civic Center Park?

Even if it is just for a few years, it would be complementary and better than the graffiti covered site at 1st & Spring.


Eric Richardson () on August 19, 2010, at 07:32AM – #27

Barry: Those renderings are actually the previous ones, before the extra elements were removed.

I've put the current PDF online at:

http://assets.blogdowntown.com/pdf/spring_street_park_072910_final.pdf


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Dixon on August 19, 2010, at 10:14AM – #28

Thanks for the current rendering, Eric. I'm glad the palm trees and ornamental flowering trees were removed. This version is much better---but where will the drinking water fountain be?


Guest 4

Guest on August 19, 2010, at 11:51AM – #29

the more parks the better but fees will be charged. movie film pemits, event fees, vendors they will all be charged. my question, who maintains that account. does it all go to the gen. fund and will it be ear marked for the Spring Street Park? maybe we don't have to think about this right now but somewhere down the road it may become a situation.


Eric Richardson () on August 19, 2010, at 12:32PM – #30

Guest: Were the Grand Hope model followed of having a non-profit set up specifically to manage the park, the money would be restricted to just going back where it came from. You're right, though, that final decisions on all of that are a couple years off.


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Robert on August 19, 2010, at 02:31PM – #31

I hope to see some great cafes opening on across the street on Spring St...unlike the view looking from Arda's to the back wall and ugly landscaping of Pershing Square.


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Kelly Kinney on August 19, 2010, at 04:21PM – #32

Thanks for uploading the larger PDF, this is much clearer now. Makes me want to buy at the Rowan. Very happy with this plan.

Now if we could only install a park over the parking lot on 6th and Main across from Pacific Electric Lofts...


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Russell Brown on August 20, 2010, at 12:06AM – #33

Part of the parking fees collected at the lot where the park will be located are being set aside in an escrow account for the park. By the time construction starts in 14 months or so, that could amount to almost $200K.

That money could be used for additional maintenance and improvements. There is a substantial sum set aside for land mitigation and capital improvements.

A non-profit or friends of the park will be part of the management structure and needed oversite and fundraising for ongoing maintenance and security.


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Guest on August 20, 2010, at 09:15AM – #34

6th & Main parking lot (southwest corner) is owned by SB Properties. You can look forward to a parking lot breaking ground within a year or two, and then a HUGE residential tower on top of that once financing is together.


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Guest on August 22, 2010, at 07:44PM – #35

No talking benches?


Guest 18

Guest on August 30, 2010, at 05:25PM – #36

I think I finally realize why bureaucracy is so, well, bureaucratic - because even in only ONE neighborhood everyone wants something different. One person wants dogs, another person doesn't. One person fears homeless people, another acts as if they are a part of his extended family. Someone wants a drinking fountain, someone wants less palm trees, another person wants a solidly structured financial plan, one guest wants to focus on Pershing Square instead, another person wants benches for conversation... So basically no matter what we do this park will never be "perfect" for us all. But it is a park, none the less - and any added green space is a good thing. I think that this is something we can all agree on.


Guest 19

Guest on August 30, 2010, at 06:01PM – #37

I want talking benches because my invisible ex-friend (Jackie) is a pain in the neck and we're done.


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DawnC on September 01, 2010, at 08:04AM – #38

I don't have any problem with the city grabbing up some space for parks now while things are still cheap. Ten years from now when the housing market recovers and the cost is prohibitive, we'll be very glad for these spaces. You can redesign a park anytime based on the current needs of the community. Securing land for a park is another challenge altogether.

Yay for green space!


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BobbyD on December 07, 2010, at 07:08PM – #39

Organize a group so that the members during breaks and lunches play music nearby each sleeper and walk around until the hobos get the idea that it is not there for them to sleep on.


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Guest on December 22, 2010, at 10:26PM – #40

There are no dog parks anywhere near this area.... and that will result in this becoming one big dog sh!tt!ng area. And do the homeless pay into our society and help with municipal costs... no, they just leech on to freebies and dirty nice areas. This area may have a lot of homeless people, but as long as this area keeps getting cleaner and more expensive, the homeless will slowly start getting pushed further out, even with the shelters so near.


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Raymond3000 on March 28, 2011, at 03:24AM – #41

So whats the latest on this park? theres only 14 months until Summer 2012 the target opening, and whats the deal with the Grand Avenue Greenspace in South Park? Any info will be gladly appreciated!



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