Spring Street Filming Fun

yeah, filming on spring is killing the downtown renaissance.

"killing the downtown renaissance"? That's a stretch - please explain that one.

How about bringing much needed revenue to local businesses, keeping people employed and contributing to the tax base.

I'd say the specter of a lot of homeless drunks or robbers wandering all over downtown, sometimes leaving the scent of urine or worse in their wake, is killing the so-called renaissance a lot more than anything having to do with film crews and activity. The downtown community should be so lucky if that were the most troubling thing they had to worry about and fuss over.

"How about bringing much needed revenue to local businesses, keeping people employed and contributing to the tax base."

How about not?

http://www.downtownla.net/faq.htm

Even with those "specail rules", they are only giving artist district residents a maximum 6 hours of sleep per night?

Wow.

What kind of special rules are those?

And fear not, even those rules will be violated as there is absolutely no enforcement for guideline violations.

It's kind of like going 80 in a 55 zone where the only possible punishment is some wagging a finger at you.

Most of us would go 80.

i was being sarcastic. i think the impact of filming is often exaggerated by people who would be better off living in the suburbs somewhere.

Right on to you then, Jim. I am one of those loft owners that bought downtown. I bought downtown because I love the urban setting - every day is another surprise about to happen. It cracks me up when people complain about the noise downtown, including the filming. And complaining about parking? Hello - you decided to live downtown where sound travels upwards and space is at a premium. If someone wants dead calm and street parking, then you need to live out in Woodland Hills.

And complaining about parking? Hello - you decided >to live downtown where sound travels upwards and >space is at a premium. If someone wants dead calm >and street parking, then you need to live out in >Woodland Hills.

That's bullshit.

You too obviously have no idea what urban living is, and you belong in Woodland Hills.

I lived in Manhattan and the Bronx for 27 and we COULD NOT have the streets blocked off every other day and we could not blow things up all night. Hell, if the trains were 10 minutes late things were thrown into chaos. THAT is a city.

Real city people had places to go and things to do.

You are confusing living on the back lot of a film set with "city living".

Ever wonder why the do the high-impact scenes in Downtown LA, and only the exterior shots in NY?

Because real city dwellers don't put up with the shit.

Then again, what would you know about city living?

You people who buy into Downtown are pretend city-dwellers. To afraid/poor/whatever to move into a real city.

At least the dwellers in Woodland Hills are honest about what they are.

you belong in Woodland Hills. <<

Not many or any movie shoots there. You should consider that your future neighborhood.

Not many or any movie shoots there. You should >consider that your future neighborhood.

I live in New York you phony, not Woodland Hills.

Your neighborhood promotes MY city, and they get to block your streets and keep you awake while doing so.

You're my (and every other cit's) bitch ... our punk. Not the people in Woodland Hills, but you.

You'd get more respect if you lived in Woodland Hills where people don't spread their ass cheeks and bend over everytime someone comes in to film a car commercial.

"You people who buy into Downtown are pretend city-dwellers. To afraid/poor/whatever to move into a real city."

I love displaced angry ex-New Yorkers that move to Los Angeles to bitch and gripe about it, but never move back to New York.

That's because you love it here.

"I love displaced angry ex-New Yorkers that move to Los Angeles to bitch and gripe about it, but never move back to New York."

I moved back to New York a year ago.

"That's because you love it here."

See above. I don't live Downtown LA anymore. I moved back to a real city. Not a film-set masquerading as a city where posers can buy a condo and pretend to be "urban dwellers".

Does it suck to be wrong about everything you have posted, or are you pretty much used to it?

The only difference between Downtown LA and Woodland Hills is that Woodland Hills has more urban amenities. They actually have grocery stores.

And next time you see a film crew, thank them for promoting my city. I can sleep through the night and never have my street closed while my town is prominently featured in almost every film shot outside your window.

Thanks!

Dianna, Jamison and D Squared all now live in NYC and hate movie shoots in downtown LA?

Transgendered or schizophrenic, or plausibly living in a cardboard box on Skid Row, either in Manhattan or downtown Los Angeles?

Oh Paul, don't be pissed off because Hollywood is bending you over screwing you without KY for my benefit ... and you local councilmembers are blocking your streets and allowing the crashing cars on your block so that I can enjoy your tax revenue. They just think you are a big pussy who won't do anything about it. It's not my fault.

I wonder why they just don't claim that Downtown LA is Downtown LA in films?

Even they are embarassed of the place.

I guess those movie big-whigs that live in the Valley and Malibu don't think Downtown LA is "hip" either. They have the money to live wherever they want, and they get as far away from it as possible.

Sucks to be paying that much money for hipness nobody outside of your own neighborhood sees. I can understand why you are bitter.

like i said before...people come and move here to downtown l.a and all they do is complaint and complaint. Hello this is downtown l.a! People are acting like this is new, like downtown l.a never had these issues before. People knew what they were getting into when moving to downtown l.a, so dont pretend your the vicitm now! This has been going on for years. Homeless people have always been here, so get use to it. People complaint because shows and movies are filmed in canada, now that we have them them filming here, they are complaining again. oviously the dont appreciate downtown l.a, filming is good for the city! DEE i totally agree with you, we need more people like YOU moving to downtown l.a!

Filming on spring is killing the downtown renaissance..WHAT? LOL

"like i said before...people come and move here to downtown l.a and all they do is complaint and complaint. Hello this is downtown l.a! People are acting like this is new, like downtown l.a never had these issues before."

Downtown had problems before people moved there, and therefore they should not try to solve them. Is that your official position?

"This has been going on for years."

So has the open use of heroin on Skid Row streets. Since it has been going on so long, is it your positions that it should not be stopped?

"People complaint because shows and movies are filmed in canada, now that we have them them filming here, they are complaining again. oviously the dont appreciate downtown l.a, filming is good for the city! DEE i totally agree with you, we need more people like YOU moving to downtown l.a!"

One person agrees with you, but alot of people do not agree with you.

A neighborhood cannot thrive when the streets are frequently closed and residents and businesses are inconvenienced around the clock.

This is not something about which ever reasonable people usually disagree.

And it has nothing to do with Canada.

You obviously are not terribly educated about Downtown Filming. You probably should be.

http://www.downtownla.net/read.php?2,10

hahaha (dave)buddy, ive been living for more than 26 years in downtown l.a ive seen downtown grow, change to a better place... i never said i dont want downtown to change, you said it... i didnt! But if you and other people were so concern about donwtown, where were you in the last 5 years? did u come here and try to make a downtown l.a better? i didnt think so...

"One person agrees with you, but alot of people do not agree with you." you might want to read the rest of the comments.

"A neighborhood cannot thrive when the streets are frequently closed and residents and businesses are inconvenienced around the clock."

neighborhood? since when? you make it seem as if this a constant problem... businesses? what businesses?

"You obviously are not terribly educated about Downtown Filming. You probably should be." i didnt know someone needs to be educated about "downtown filming" whatever that means, to have an opinion. certain things come with the territory, thats life deal with it..

"did u come here and try to make a downtown l.a better? i didnt think so..."

Alot of people did and still are. So what is it that you didn't think?

"neighborhood? since when? you make it seem as if this a constant problem... businesses? what businesses?"

I've been living here 5 years, and it has been a constant problem. My building took up a petition for a filming moratorium which 80% of the people signed, and 2 lawyers in the building are preparing an injunction to be put into place for Spring St.

Most Downtown Los Angeles filming is against the law.

"i didnt know someone needs to be educated about "downtown filming" whatever that means, to have an opinion. certain things come with the territory, thats life deal with it.."

The laws regarding filming downtown, the true impact on the community, the real benefit to the community, etc ... yes, you really should be educated on those issues. Why would you not want to be?

Read:

http://www.downtownla.net/faq.htm

Learn.

It's good for you.

http://www.downtownla.net/read.php?2,10 yeah, its cheaper to film in canada, thats why they don't film here in Downtown, what was the point of the article? Thast the reason the film up north...

"I've been living here 5 years, and it has been a constant problem. My building took up a petition for a filming moratorium which 80% of the people signed, and 2 lawyers in the building are preparing an injunction to be put into place for Spring St."

Yeah, the only reason it has become of problem is because people are starting to move here...it was not a problem before...and likk you said "your" building...

you think so? is it really good...lol..geez

I can understand why you are bitter.

LOL!

Dianna/Jamison/DSquared, for a person who supposedly lives in NYC, you sure do get all hot and bothered about LA. And speaking of "bitter," I don't come close to the weird venom you have about downtown LA and movie shoots taking place there.

"Dianna/Jamison/DSquared, for a person who supposedly lives in NYC, you sure do get all hot and bothered about LA. And speaking of "bitter," I don't come close to the weird venom you have about downtown LA and movie shoots taking place there."

That's because you are a star struck, psuedo-city dwelling posebag.

You like the attention.

You live in a fake city on a soundstage, and the only difference between where you live and Woodland Hills is that the people of Woodland Hills actually get something for their tax dollars.

They aren't envying you, they are laughing at you.

We all are.

^ I sure hope you really do live in NYC, and not LA, particularly in its downtown area. That neighborhood already has more than its fair share of oddballs.

"I sure hope you really do live in NYC, and not LA, particularly in its downtown area. That neighborhood already has more than its fair share of oddballs."

We finally agree on something.

Move downtown and you can have these people as your neighbors!!!

Seriously, what is slightly interesting about this 'debate' is how the writers get so caught up in the authenticity of their urban setting. Yes, me thinks the debate boils down to something analogous to "Great taste! Less filling!". I'm sure those who live in mega-cities like Mexico City or Tokyo or London would chuckle at the tiny size of the urban cores of New York City and Los Angeles.

But, in the end, who cares? I live in downtown because it is inherently interesting. Freighting any place that somehow life there is more authentic seems quite sophormic. It plays into this whole hipster urban pioneer myth. Yes, the many people who moved downtown in recent years and the investment it has spawned are exciting. But, if you think moving to any zip code is going elevate your life to some 'cooler' plane of existence be it here or in NYC, I think you're pretty gullible and destined for disappointment.

"You live in a fake city on a soundstage, and the only difference between where you live and Woodland Hills is that the people of Woodland Hills actually get something for their tax dollars."

Spoken like a truly arrogant, ignorant New York snob that doesn't have the first clue about the history of Los Angeles, or what downtown is made of. I'm sure that generations upon generations of my family are laughing their asses off at you from their graves, having been born, lived and contributed to Boyle Heights and downtown Los Angeles and made their mark here.

Unlike you, who look down on any city that doesn't have a Starbucks on every corner - many of us live downtown because we are interested in preserving a history that you are oblivious to. Yes, I've been to the Upper West Side of Manhattan - the same place snobs like you feel comfortable with paying millions of dollars for converted tenement apartments and call them "co-ops."

Bitter? Party of One? Bitter? Your table is ready!

"Spoken like a truly arrogant, ignorant New York snob that doesn't have the first clue about the history of Los Angeles, or what downtown is made of."

I lived there for over 7 years, and what D-squared says is true. It's full of mostly suburban-bashing people who think that it's hip to live on a movie backlot and don't realize that they basically live in a place more void of non-filming activity than the suburbs. Not even the filmmakers who spend most of their time downtown have a home there. It's a psuedo-"downtown" created to maseqrade as a other cities who's resident's don't tolerate the nonesense of daily, illegal, street closures.

"I'm sure that generations upon generations of my family are laughing their asses off at you from their graves, having been born, lived and contributed to Boyle Heights and downtown Los Angeles and made their mark here."

And I think they are crying when they see what a mockery you have let the film crews from Burbank and Manhattan Beach make of it.

"Unlike you, who look down on any city that doesn't have a Starbucks on every corner - many of us live downtown because we are interested in preserving a history that you are oblivious to. "

You don't look down on Woodland Hills? Do you read your own posts? Because if you don't, I certainly don't blame you.

The History downtown LA is banking, finance, and the hub of west coast mass transit, and the largest manufacturing center on the West Coast. Daily filming is not part of the "history" of downtown. Hollywood has bastardized the history of downtown and you bought it. I submit that it is you, dee, that does not know what the history of Downtown is. Closed off streets and explosions ringing through the night as they pretend to be running through the streets of New York is not the history of Downtown Los Angeles.

"Yes, I've been to the Upper West Side of Manhattan - the same place snobs like you feel comfortable with paying millions of dollars for converted tenement apartments and call them "co-ops."

I never lived on the Upper West Side, Dee. I lived in a rather poor neighborhood in the South Bronx. And we had ALOT more markets and amneities and existed in an actual urban neighborhood. Not a faux, pretend one. I don't think a single one of us owned a car, or need one. And noone dared close off our streets, buses, or trains, and heaven help anyone who shot off fake guns at 6am. It would have been the one and only time they would have ever wanted to done so, "permit" or no "permit".

We were poor, but we had respect. Something that many Downtown lack. And that is something you can't put a price on.

Luckily, they always had you to emulate us.

And for the record, you were the one sneering at people from "Woodland Hills", he basically use your street to line their pockets and live a wealthy existance. They are not clamoring to come Downtown. It would appear the the joke is indeed on you.

"Bitter? Party of One? Bitter? Your table is ready!"

Have a seat. I recommend the poser salad. Would you like to see the wine menu? I hear it's imported from Woodland Hills.

I lived there for over 7 years, and what D-squared says is true.

Huh? I thought you still lived in New York City. BTW, how many personalities do you have?

"Huh? I thought you still lived in New York City."

Why would you think that?

"BTW, how many personalities do you have?"

How many personalities does anyone have? I supposed that is a matter of opinion, Paul, I mean Dee, I mean David, I mean Jim,

Well, for one thing I answered a comment from "Dianna" several postings above and "Jamison" replied back.

LOL, a better screen name for you would be "Sybil," of NYC/downtown LA/Woodland Hills/wherever.

"Well, for one thing I answered a comment from "Dianna" several postings above and "Jamison" replied back."

What a coincidence. I replied to Jim, and Dee replied to me, then I replied to her, then you replied to me.

"LOL, a better screen name for you would be "Sybil," of NYC/downtown LA/Woodland Hills/wherever."

Sounds like you need the Thorazine my film-set-dwelling who wished he/she/it lived somoewhere real amigo.

Vote for dee! LOL

What a coincidence. I replied to Jim, and Dee replied to me

Uh, nice try, Dianna/Jamison. If you look at everyone's earlier postings above, you'll notice your alter ego "Jamison" popped up out of thin air, in response to comments I directed at a post from "Dianna."

and can you say where it is located?

1. It is considered a breach of user trust and extermely poor practice to track the IP address of a usser/users. You just screwed you trust with those of us who read this blog. Even if the person/people were jerks, you just made yourself much worse. Score one for the asshole(s) for making you hurt your own credibility. It's the worst possible way to carry out your personal agendy.

2. The person/persons had many valid points that a great many of us agree with. You obviously have not attended the meetings regarding filming.

3. Who cares who the person is, addressing the messenger instead of the message of for people with IQ's below 100.

4. We don't even know if you are telling the truth, as logs are simple ASCII text and can be faked to show what you want them to show. Your word on the matter means nothing. I can declare that you all are posting from the same IP address, and produce a log to show it. It doesn't mean it's true. It means I am desperate.

5. If you have enough time on your hands to track down the geographical location of an IP address, the original poster was right about you people having WAAAAY to much time on your hands. Who cares??

6. Feel free as a bird to track my IP address. If you want to, I will also give you my home address and shoe size.

I'm really disappointed in the people who run this blog. Not that any of you care.

Get a life already. The "filming is good for downtown" myth has been debunked so many times, that parroting the EIDC line from 2001 is asinine and shows a lack of clear reading comprehencion from the large body of published debate and facts on the subject.

P.S. Maybe you can find out my condom size for Tim Quinn. Apparently inquiring minds want to know.

Oh, and the "assholes" also wasted a chunk of your free time as you piled through logs and ran geographical checks on the addresses.

They were probably out enjoying a nice dinner or show as pined over logs.

Gee, you sure showed them! Seems the joke is on you.

Score another one for the "bad" guys. Maybe you will waste your entire Memorial Day weekend on them too.

Is your nose pissed off that it was removed to spite your face?

E,

Of course you can do what you want. We all can. I'm not sure what that comment even meant. The last time I heard it was in the sandbox.

Someone with your "techincal prowess" would know that, regarding IP's, you either reveal information about none, or you reveal information about all ... and if this well established rule is not followed, then you clearly post a "privacy policy" or something similar.

I guess the problem with "blogs" is that we now have alot of neophyte system adinistrators who are not familiar with the generally accepted and expected practices of systems administration.

One who has access to the logs NEVER reveals the contents of the logs publically.

At least nobody with "technical prowess" does so.

Then again, maybe you simply aren't interested in well-established system admministration guidelines. Here's hoping you never administer a system that I use for personal information.

I think you hurt your credibility. I'm sure you disagree, but what you did reallt was considered poor practice and a breach of privacy.

Maybe your readers will care, maybe they won't, but I will urge caution to everyone who may decide to contribute to your "blog" since you are not upfront about your "doing what you want to" with personal information.

Cheers.

The owner of this blog hurt his credibility?!

I'd say the multi-personalities of DSquared/Dianna/Dave/Jamison (and should that also be DSquared/Dianna/Dave/Jamison/Don?) who pretty much all share the same profane, obnoxious way of commenting, and the same peculiar hostility about filming and downtown Los Angeles, hurt his/her credibility far, far more.

For the sake of Los Angeles, and its downtown, I do hope that someone like DSquared/Dianna/Dave/Jamison lives in Las Vegas or New York City or anywhere but L.A.

How did Dianna/Dsquared/Whatever hurt their credibility? They don't run a blog, nobody knows them, nobody depends on them to protect their personal information, they may not even exist.

E has a somewhat popular blog.

Some random person/people came in, expressed some pretty widely held opinions, and baited E into reacting with a MAJOR systems administration gaffe resulting in distrust which is actually being discussed by people on other boards as we speak.

Who got the worst end of that little disagreement?

Someone was kind of promoting your site on another message board.