A Downtown Wal-Mart?
DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES — The LA Business Journal is reporting that the Orthopaedic Hospital is in discussions to sell part of its Downtown site to Rothbart Development (annoying sign-up required), a company "known for building shopping centers that are anchored by Wal-Marts." The 9-acres for sale are on the Adams end of the site.
A Rothbart executive confirmed that the company has teamed up with Santa Monica-based housing developer Martin Group Inc. to buy the property. The two firms are planning a mixed-use development that incorporates big box retail and high-density multifamily housing.
"We do not have a particular anchor lined up for the project, but we are talking to several big box retailers," said Lindsey Kozberg, vice president of development for Rothbart. "There has been a lot of interest."
I find it interesting to note this in context with recent articles talking about Wal-Mart's new urbanist designs (via Boi From Troy. This will be an important location, with an Expo light rail station going in right across the property at Flower/23rd. Other "interested" retailers are said to include Target, Costco and Home Depot. I'd have trouble seeing Home Depot there, with another store less than three miles away at Wilshire and Union. The others, though, I think would get good reach from the direct freeway access.
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Seem to me that the best way to open up Broadaway to becoming a starbucks old navy corridor is to bring in a walmart close by , you will run all of those people on broadway out of business who sell cheap electronics and clothing. BUt I wonder if that will work, considering they have been there a long time , but as the property values rise it may happen.
Do you really think walmart will be coming to Downtown?
# on Dec.04.2005 AT 07:57 PMI'm extremely bullish on the prospect of Broadway's existing retailers surviving the arrival of any mainstream discounters moving into the neighborhood. The notion that the customers who patronize Broadway are somehow unaware or unable to get to these kinds of stores is condescending. Broadway is a low-income Latino retail corridor. Latinos come to Broadway not just for low prices, but because they can find stuff here which they can't find anywhere else. You gonna find stuff for baptisms or quincineras at one of these discounters. Maybe. Will you buy it in a setting which you're comfortable in? Maybe. More than anything, Latinos shop on Broadway because they are comfortable here. It is their street. I really doubt they'd abandon it just because a big discounter moved it.
Frankly, I'm entirely dubious of the Broadway corridor being overrun by Gap/Old Navy/Forever 21/et al. (Although, I'm sure the power elites in the city assume this would be a good thing.) The existing business model is too strong for these retailers to come in. Their prospective customers, the fabled loft dwellers flush with cash, are MIA on Broadway. For whatever reasons, the new residents moving downtown don't shop on Broadway (or at least in sufficient numbers to allow mainstream retailers to find them). Broadway is not a dead retail strip like eastern Sunset was a few years ago; where funky retailers can find cheap rent and move in beside mom'n pop shops. Yeah, it would be great if this kind of retail mix were to happen. I just don't see it happening.
One positive effect of these big retailers moving in might be to encourage better upkeep and appearance of Broadway -- clean up the street, better store fronts and better quality display. (Over the years, I've noticed this is the trend anyways with retailers on Broadway.) The new competition might encourage the businesses to do more to keep their customers. But, would these disounters kill Broadway as we know it? I doubt it.
# on Dec.04.2005 AT 09:59 PMI don't know about other "loft-dwellers" (not that I actually live in a loft, but whatever), but I know I get sort of scared by the whole idea of jackets that cost $12 and board shorts that cost $4. Maybe these things are really great deals, but I can't get past the idea that most of the time you get what you pay for. The volume of people who do shop there would suggest otherwise, though, so maybe I'm just wrong. -e;
# on Dec.04.2005 AT 11:33 PMYears ago I was attending one of the annual Last Remaining Seats screenings on Broadway put on each June by the L.A. Conservancy and out walks Linda Dishman, Executive Director of the Conservancy, to announce their Broadway Initiative: http://www.laconservancy.org/initiatives/initiatives_broadway.php4
As she gushed about reviving Broadway I pondered that there already was an established culture existing on Broadway. The assumption that getting the "right" sort of businesses along Broadway will impropve it implies a judgement upon the existing shopping district.
Samuel Delaney in his book Times Square Red, Times Square Blue lamented what most think of as the cleaning up of Times Square. I guess to some small extent I have similar thoughts about the campaign to "save" Broadway.
# on Dec.07.2005 AT 04:28 PMA bit of this discussion about the shops on Broadway back in June when Greg Goldin went off on the Grand Ave. project and I surmised Related must have run over his puppy.
I don't want to see a grand-scale change in the character of Broadway shops, but I refuse to agree with the notion that the current shops properly activate the street. It's shop after shop of identically cheap stuff. Possibly interesting buildings are hidden and abandoned for ground-floor retail that spans the entire frontage.
And because the street is largely made up of a single use, it dies totally from 6:30pm to 10am. That's a problem. Broadway at night is a ghost town. That's what needs to be addressed, not the particulars of what shops are there. -e;
# on Dec.07.2005 AT 05:04 PMWhile I think your contention that the street consists of "shop after shop of identically cheap stuff" is not accurate, although I can understand how you'd come to that conclusion, we'll take up that debate off-line. What I really don't understand is the notion that Broadway ought to be active 24/7. Uh, says who? It is a retail corridor. So, too, is the Fashion District and the Jewelry District. You want to talk about dead 6:30 p.m.
- 10 a.m.? Are you calling for them to be active 24/7, too? How about the Staples Center or the Music Center? These are single use facilities. They alternate between wildly busy and completely dead, too. I just not clear what causes Broadway to have this expectation thrust upon it.
Interestingly, the historic theaters along Broadway offer an excellent opportunity to activate the street with non-retail activity into the evening. Often, the call has been for the return of live theater to these venues. Despite my enjoyment of theater, I'm very dubious this will come to pass. Moreover, I'm always surprised the Mayan Theater is never held up as an example of alternate use. If you haven't been the Mayan Theater on a Saturday night, then you need to get a take a look. I'm surprised no night club impresario has converted Broadway's historic theaters to similar use. It would seem to be a natural fit for the Latinos who shop the street. Turn these theaters into modern dance clubs with a Latin beat. That would achieve your goal of activating the street into the evening hours. But, it would do it in a way which would enhance the vibrant character of the district.
# on Dec.13.2005 AT 01:57 PMOn Broadway Club 740 would be an example of theatre to nightclub conversion. Just like the Stock Exchange on Spring, though, they totally abandon the front of the building in order to put the entrance as close to the cars as possible for those arriving via auto and parking in the lot.
I don't think that every building on Broadway needs to be in operation 24/7. Clearly that's not going to be the case anywhere. I guess my call is for just a bit of diversification. Broadway is different from the fashion district and the Music Center because it sits right in the middle of Downtown, acting as a divider. Most of Broadway at night becomes a deadzone that's very unfriendly to cross, for instance when going from the subway stop at 5th/Hill to residential on Spring.
The important thing for Downtown right now is to creat linkages between the newly vibrant pockets. Broadway, outside of business hours, is just as or more disruptive to the character of the neighborhood than are the surface parking lots. -e;
# on Dec.13.2005 AT 02:15 PM


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