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Police Say Saturday Stabbing Could Have Been Gang Related

By Eric Richardson
Published: Monday, May 10, 2010, at 09:14AM
Spring Street Police Tape Eric Richardson []

A man stabbed a dozen or more times in broad daylight on Los Angeles street Saturday could have been the victim of gang-related violence, police say. The unidentified hispanic man in his 30's was attacked at the corner of 5th street and is currently in intensive care.


Friday, May 14: Police today arrested a 17-year-old gang member for Saturday's attack.


Half a dozen men first surrounded the victim and beat him.

“The attack started as a beat down until the victim fell to the sidewalk near a lone tree,” said Lt. Paul Vernon, head of detectives for Central Division. “According to one witness, most of the attackers backed away, then a lone suspect began ruthlessly stabbing the victim.”

The victim had no identification.

According to police, the attack could have been the work of the 5th and Hill gang. “We know the 5th-and-Hill gang tries to control this area by taxing the street vendors for protection,” Lt. Vernon explained. “The gang members are often vendors themselves. If someone does not pay their tax, they get beat up or worse. We’ve seen it before.”

In two prior attacks on the 5th street side of the same building, suspects turned out to be 5th and Hill members posing as hot dog vendors.

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Rich Alossi on May 10, 2010, at 09:46AM – #1

I seem to recall being called an idiot and a dumbass by some in the comments section for even suggesting that Downtown was anything but a happy, neutral gang utopia where everyone shares profits and leaves each other alone.

At least LAPD is now recognizing the threat. I hope this doesn't happen again, but I may just have to hold out for hoping this doesn't happen too often. Sad story.


Guest 1

Guest on May 10, 2010, at 09:58AM – #2

Where's our injunction?


Guest 2

Guest on May 10, 2010, at 10:05AM – #3

Eric, have you heard anything about the guy falling/jumping off the Grand Lofts at South Park on early Saturday morning? Any news on it? The guy died on scene but I haven't seen any news regarding the incident. A little concerned.


Eric Richardson () on May 10, 2010, at 10:39AM – #4

Guest 3: Like you said, there was a suicide on Saturday morning at Grand Lofts around 8am. We haven't investigated further, and are not planning to do a story. Suicide stories are always a sensitive call on whether to cover them or not, and in this case we decided not to.


Guest 3

Guest on May 10, 2010, at 10:47AM – #5

this intersection has always been sketchy, i had hoped that having the 7-11 move in would help to clean up that corner, but it appears that is not the case


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jennifermarissa () on May 10, 2010, at 11:01AM – #6

Holy hell. I live near the corner of 5th and Hill. Lately I have been going out of my way to avoid taking 5th Street (aka "The Nickel") and now I have more reason to. This is just sad.


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Whitman Lam on May 10, 2010, at 11:19AM – #7

5th and Hill gang members posing as hot dog vendors. I'd think twice about buying food from a sidewalk vendor, I don't want my money to be supporting criminal gangs. So far, LAPD has been focusing on stopping bootleg DVD and animal trafficking, because it offends the entertainment industry and PETA.

They need to pay the same attention to vendor extortion and racketeering. Install video cameras if they have to.


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General Jeff on May 10, 2010, at 12:06PM – #8

Rich,

In Skid Row, there is a "peace treaty" between bloods and crips gang members that primarily focus on making money dealing drugs. It has been that way for decades.

This particular incident, involves Latino gang members. That is an entirely separate issue. Although the 5th and Hill gang is Downtown, they are not considered to be Skid Row.


Guest 4

Guest on May 10, 2010, at 01:09PM – #9

ironic that someone mentions the suicide this past saturday and the pic used for this story with the police tape and a piece of rail on the street is from a suicide/accidental fall on spring st earlier this year. just saying, ironic.


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Robyn on May 10, 2010, at 01:42PM – #10

W O W. Broad daylight. Los Angeles Street. There are too many pedestrians, retail, and residences nearby. Is there any news about increasing patrol or even the number of BID cyclists, etc.? Is there an unsaid position for anyone living or working in the buildings in that area beyond, "that sucks."


Guest 5

Guest on May 10, 2010, at 08:46PM – #11

There was a suicide on Saturday? My wife and I could not go down 7th because of the glass and police tape set up just up from 7th/Metro. Is that what you're talking about? The police there said they did not find a body and didn't know what broke the window.


on May 10, 2010, at 08:48PM – #12

guest #11 the glass at 7th/Hope at the metro stop was from a window breaking in 655 Hope - no crime or tragedy as far as I was told.


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Dixon on May 10, 2010, at 11:13PM – #13

The crime could have been drug related. During the daytime especially on weekends, there is a busy heroin-dealing scene on Los Angeles St. between 4th and 6th Streets. The current going rate is $5 for one small piece of heroin tied in a balloon or 5 balloons for $20. The balloons are carried by the dealers in their mouths. The customers and the dealers are mostly Spanish-speaking hispanics.

The night time action is crack, of course, and the dealers and customers are different too.


Guest 6

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 01:31AM – #14

OMG.

We need more cupcake stores downtown.


Guest 7

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 07:19AM – #15

5th Street isn't that dangerous all the time.... think about the MUST or (Sub)Urban and Bert Green's Gallery, not to mention the Rowan, Crocker Club, etc. Downtown is dangerous at times, there are some places more so than others, but to say that 5th street is dangerous and should be avoided is crazy.

One of the guest suggested this was 5th and Broadway (it was not) and the 5th & Hill street gang doesn't mean it happened there either. This happened on Los Angeles Street & 5th, 2 blocks from Skid Row..... still scary, but with all the police and purple shirts, I still feel pretty safe.


Guest 8

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 07:47AM – #16

We live at Santa Fe Lofts, on 6th street between Main Street and Los Angeles Street. Within this last month we've had that fatal shooting on Los Angeles now this stabbing less all within a few blocks of our home.

Not sure what to make of it, as one guest posted with the police and purple shirts you feel somewhat safe but at the same time...

Is it time to move?


Guest 9

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 08:22AM – #17

Following up on Guest #15, 5th Street between Spring and Broadway is not dangerous. There is CB1 Gallery and soon a new Mexican restaurant and a fresh produce market across the street in the Alexandria.


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DawnC on May 11, 2010, at 08:43AM – #18

Ciscustop, thanks for all the pricing info. I'll keep all that in mind if I ever feel like ruining my life!

I figured that buying drugs was a pretty direct way to support the gangs but I never considered the hot dogs. Mostly because I would never consider eating a hot dog that some random person with no concern for a permit would sell.


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Dixon on May 11, 2010, at 12:39PM – #19

DawnC, I can also give you the nighttime prices for crack if you want. That moves into Los Angeles St. after dark. You won't find hot dogs then, but some of the dealers operate out of King Eddy Saloon. You can call them on their cells or you can just stop in and give them your order. They'll deliver it to you on the street, not in the bar.

The gang members selling hot dogs are not doing so for the hot dog sales money. They just use the hot dogs (and the fresh fruit) as covers for their drug operations. Most of the hot dog and fruit vendors are neither gang members nor drug dealers, however.


Guest 10

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 01:08PM – #20

Guest #16---i feel safe living Downtown. the place is crawling with cops--my sister who lives in Brentwood says that there currently aren't even any officers allocated to that area full time. i have been reading this blog for over 1 year now and what i HAVE noticed is that of the crimes that get commited Downtown--almost all if not all get solved.


Guest 11

Guest on May 11, 2010, at 09:35PM – #21

I work downtown 3-4 days per week at the Junipero Serra building on 4th and Hill. The only times I have had any problems walking around downtown, such as taking a trip to the Nickel Diner, the problems occurred on 5th street, between Broadway and Main. Now I am even more concerned.


Guest 12

Guest on May 12, 2010, at 12:55PM – #22

We are all sad to see anyone die in Downtown, or anywhere else...and that's the point, there are murders everywhere in LA...and many connected to drugs, westside, eastside southside northside, not just in DT. You see homeless in Beverly Hills Park too, taking drugs..so if you are frightened of Downtown, don't be fooled, you should be concerned for your safety everywhere in LA.

So the next time the Police Department gets/requires extra $$ don't complain, it's for our safety.

Howie on the Hill

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Guest 6

Guest on May 12, 2010, at 01:09PM – #23

The LAPD ALWAYS gets more $ when other important services (the public library, for example) get drastically cut.

We will always, blindly fund the culture of fear, at all levels, while sacrificing others.

Throwing more money to prevent "the bad guys" is not the solution; it only feeds an endless cycle.


Guest 13

Guest on May 12, 2010, at 02:47PM – #24

In reference to the comment that drug dealers operate out of the King Eddy Saloon. If you are a regular to the area or even that particular bar you would have noticed a great change in the business of The King Eddy Saloon. This bar is under new management and they now have a security guard in uniform partolling the bar and the street all through the night. I can guarantee that if drug dealers once did operate out of the King Eddy, THOSE DAYS HAVE PASSED. This bar is a fun and safe place to go and is nothing but historic.


Jamie DeFrisco on May 12, 2010, at 08:08PM – #25

I don't know if I would consider King Eddy's a safe place to go. It's always a good time and an adventure going to King Eddy's. It's not a terrible, dangerous place to go. It's just somewhere that you should be a little more aware of your surroundings. They have great drinks and great bartenders.

Still no word on what exactly happened on Saturday at Main and 3rd? There were a ton of cops out there for it to only have been a minor issue. Seems like there were a lot of events last Saturday.


Guest 14

Guest on May 12, 2010, at 10:15PM – #26

I live at 7th and Los Angeles. Had a late flight last night and ended up walking home from union station at 2am ish. Los Angeles st. is completely dark from Winston to 7th on the east side of the street. Just saying it felt good to get to 7th. This event happened in the daylight, but lighting might make a difference at night.


Guest 14

Guest on May 12, 2010, at 10:19PM – #27

Also would like to add that I love living downtown!


Guest 15

Guest on May 13, 2010, at 12:55AM – #28

I am saddened by the suicide, my condolences to the family, and disappointed that the local papers won't print a story. We choose to live downtown because we want to live in the bustle of a working community and all it's events, good and bad. If we wanted to be safeguarded from life's events, we would move to the suburbs. I'm sorry you've chosen this approach to reporting the news. If we start having more gang activity downtown, will you start censoring that too.


Guest 16

Guest on May 13, 2010, at 10:29PM – #29

I am also saddened by the suicide and my deepest prayers and condolences go out to his family and friends. I feel that this story needs to be covered because I feel saddened that he does not get recognized in death, as was probably the case in his life. Shouldn't LA (and downtown in general) be recognized for having a heart? Please understand that he was a human being and all life is precious.


Guest 15

Guest on May 14, 2010, at 01:21AM – #30

It's a shame that of the four newspapers downtown, no one will print the story about the suicide at the Grand. Your job is to report the news and let your reader decide what to make of it. Really goes to show what these elite reporters think of their readers; we must not be mature enough to handle the news of someone who killed themselves in such a public way. The downtown news outlets are acting as if this is a cover up of some sort; what is it that you don't want us to know. Depression is a serial killer that by any other name would be blasened across the headlines throughout the city.


Guest 15

Guest on May 14, 2010, at 01:30AM – #31

The downtown news organizations are being asked by property investors not to report the suicides as to avoid the bad press; they want to fill these buildings. It's one thing to have violence on the street, but another to buy a loft for your child's college years and then have them jump from it their sophomore year. There is your free press curtailed by vested interest.


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DawnC on May 14, 2010, at 02:14AM – #32

I always thought that they avoided reporting suicide stories to avoid encouraging copy-cats. I think this is a pretty legitimate reason.

I saw this on a suicide prevention website:

"Are you a reporter who is working on a story related to suicide? If so, you may want to be aware of a phenomenon called "media-related suicide contagion."

Research studies have shown that prominent media stories about suicide are associated with a significant increase in suicide attempts within the media outlet's coverage area."

I don't think it's bad press or elitism that's encouraging them not to print stories about this. I think it's responsible reporting.


Guest 16

Guest on May 14, 2010, at 07:59PM – #33

I agree with the responsible reporting, but this person has a name. Just because he's not a son of a celebrity, there is no mention? I mean, at least let people know who he was.


Guest 15

Guest on May 16, 2010, at 11:58PM – #34

Newspaper and TV reports of car chases, suicide bombings, gang activity and arson all propagate or are used as recruiting tools for continuing such activities. Let's just stop reporting anything. The less we know the better off we are.



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