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'Titans' Discuss Downtown in 2020

By Eric Richardson
Published: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, at 09:30AM
Downtown 2020 Panel Eric Richardson

Eli Broad speaks during a panel of “Titans of Downtown” that included Tim Leiweke, Nelson Rising and Jim Thomas and was moderated by Tom Gilmore (left).

Over lunch on Tuesday, a panel of “titans” sat down to discuss Downtown’s next decade. While the four brought varied backgrounds and differently colored visions to the conversation, they found consensus in the potential of Los Angeles, and Downtown in particular.

Philanthropist Eli Broad has been in the news this year for the art museum he now plans to build on Grand Avenue, so unsurprisingly he preached the power of Los Angeles as a cultural destination. Downtown’s collection of museums and great architecture will make it an increasingly important destination for cultural tourism, Broad told the audience at the Central City Association’s Downtown 2020 symposium.

He, of course, is putting his money where his mouth is, footing the $100 million cost of the museum’s construction and supporting it with a $200 million endowment. The project won’t break ground until mid-November, but Broad already has an opening date in mind: December 8, 2012, just two days after Art Basel ends in Miami.

AEG CEO Tim Leiweke has spent the last decade constructing an entertainment complex that’s now home to four sports teams and most of Hollywood’s awards shows, so his vision of future Los Angeles is similarly unsurprising.

“I think that tourism and events are going to drive our economy in 2020,” he told the group.

As part of that push, Leiweke and AEG are behind a plan to tear down part of the Convention Center and replace it with a stadium that would lure the NFL back to Los Angeles.

While he emphasized that “we need a lot to go right on football,” Leiweke expressed his belief that the change would make Los Angeles competitive for all kinds of large events.

“Everywhere we go, it’s amazing,” he said. “When we sit down with the NCAA and talk about ‘Would you ever think about Final Fours in Downtown?’ they say ‘We’re there, tomorrow’”

Jim Thomas of Thomas Properties is working on a redevelopment project that would create a new, high-rise hotel and office tower on the site of the Wilshire Grand. He told the room that he hopes to see the hotel open in the first quarter of 2016, helping to support Leiweke’s vision to bring more events Downtown.

“More challenging is the office building,” he said, pointing out that he had helped create the glut of space in the 1980s. Still, he was optimistic on his chances.

“I predict to this audience right now: we will have a new office building in Downtown Los Angeles in the next three to five years, and I want to build it.”

Nelson Rising, head of MPG Office Trust, pointed out that some of Downtown’s future will depend on the broader, national economic market.

“I think we’re on the right track,” he said, though he cautioned that it would still be two to three years before a full recovery.

In the pre-lunch session, panelists discussed the "Live, Work, Play" Downtown of 2020.

Andrew Meieran, owner of The Edison, said that he believes the neighborhood can still support growth in the area of bars and restaurants.

"I don't think we're even remotely close to being saturated," he said. "We're still so under-served for the community that it's actually kind of staggering for me."

Meieran recently purchased the historic Clifton's Cafeteria on Broadway. He said that he looks for projects that can "be a catalyst for reinvigorating an entire area."

It can be the little projects that make the biggest difference on Broadway, Meieran said, mentioning the importance of reactivating lights and cleaning facades.

Broker Derrick Moore of CB Richard Ellis addressed the challenge of bringing retailers into the Downtown market. He said that getting Target to announce its long-rumored deal at the 7+Fig complex would do a lot for getting other retailers on-board.

"What [leases such as that one] say is that mainstream retail has validated Downtown," he said.

Melanie Smith of Melendrez said that recent moves to add park space to Downtown are important, but the city must at the same time figure out ways to pay for maintenance. Her firm designed the landscaping around the LAPD headquarters, space that has fallen through the cracks in terms of who was responsible for upkeep.

The morning's most frequently mentioned project was almost certainly the L.A. Streetcar. Transportation issues — and particularly the challenges of connecting parts of Downtown — were cited by many speakers as one the central city's prime challenges over the next decade. Shiraz Tangri, head of the Downtown L.A. Neighborhood Council's Planning and Land Use committee, summed it up. The streetcar "is the game-changer," he said."

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Guest 1

Guest on October 13, 2010, at 10:25AM – #1

as a recent resident living Downtown I think I echo many others in my feeling that we need more retail along the lines of,

a Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker.

These types of everyday services are not here yet. Sure a Target would be great in terms of drawing others, but I don't Targets are what make a livable neighborhood and I don't think thats what people who are moving Downtown are looking for.


Thomas K Nagano on October 13, 2010, at 11:19AM – #2

One of the more interesting statements, from AEG CEO Tim Leiweke, was for October, the Marriott and Ritz Carlton have 87% Occupancy because of conventions.

Tom Gilmore noted privately that Tim Leiweke, Nelson Rising, Jim Thomas and Eli Broad were major players in creating our Los Angeles skyline.

TK


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Rob C () on October 13, 2010, at 11:27AM – #3

I agree with Guest #1, People come to DTLA its not the Heavy commercial hitters, Target, Wal Mart, Macys and such that will make downtown. I believe they/I like it for a different feel/Vibe than your normal suburban mall stacked communities. Its going to be the strong independent retailers, restaurants & bars that will help grow the area along with the support of the city with proper services and amenities. Sure it will be nice to have a Traders Joe's and Target. But I don't think that's what new people will come to and visit Downtown for.

I am Very excited to see what Downtown evolves to in 10 years, I think there will be dramatic positive changes in 5 years. One example take a look at Artwalk and what that event has grown to and done for the Historic Core of DTLA, It wasnt some huge corporation that brought over 20,000 people for one days event, it was the people, community, Great independent stores and a few hard working individuals.


Chris Loos on October 13, 2010, at 01:03PM – #4

Its "catalyst" projects like Clifton's, mentioned above, that bring back an area. Stadiums never have the positive affect that their proponents hope they will, especially football stadiums. You get huge crowds less than 10 days a year. Not exactly a boon to local businesses.


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David McBane on October 13, 2010, at 01:24PM – #5

Chris Loos - Though I generally agree that stadiums don't have much positive effect, the Staples Center has actually turned around what was once a forlorn corner of Downtown. The football stadium AEG is proposing isn't really a football stadium - it's more of a large entertainment venue that will have way more than 10 events per year. I think if you have Staples, the football stadium, and AEG running the convention center, you would have a powerful engine to bring in a lot of people almost on a daily basis. That would generate a ton of support for businesses Downtown.


Guest 1

Guest on October 13, 2010, at 01:32PM – #6

Downtown is shaping up to be a really special and independant-minded area to live in. I hope the corporate interests don't completely take over. I prefer slow, sustainable growth over the alternative. Some cities CAN and DO consider qualitly of life issues and create laws accordingly. An example is Carmel. Its not exacly what would work in DTLA, but is an example of what cities can do to preserve integrity, calm and property values too!

Carmel-by-the-Sea is cosmopolitan with a continental ambiance, yet decidedly quaint with a small town feel. To preserve the town’s special appeal and the value of Carmel real estate, the city fathers have passed special ordinances. There are no fast-food restaurants, neon signs or parking meters.


Guest 2

Guest on October 14, 2010, at 01:04AM – #7

Oh yeah, the public will chip in a billion bucks. And they get the land free and clear and they get parking, scot free to boot.

And we end up with a bifurcated convention center

Bottom line: they don't want to have to pay for the land or the parking and then laugh all the way to the bank if they can buy off the city council. Joel Wachs: where the hell are you?

The only way to accommodate parking is either deep underground, remove existing housing on the west side of the freeway or put it north of Olympic on the east side of the freeway. The latter would see lots of pedestrians filtering through L.A. Live before and after events. Any which way, they'd laugh all the way to the bank.



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